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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cut your speakers in half!
Gandhi
2015-07-25 09:46:05 UTC
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(Clickbait schlittbait)

Yesterday I paid a visit to a local hi-fi store. They sell mostly gear
of the crazy variety, but they also have excellent speakers, some of
which I wanted to listen to.

There I found a floorstanding speaker cut in half, lengthwise. The point
obviously to show the advanced technology used by this brand. This
speaker is manufactured by a well known expensive brand. I'm not sure of
the exact price of this particular model, it's a few years old, but the
latest version of it costs about $25,000.

Now to the point of this post. I could see the circuit boards of the
passive filters both from above and below. From above they looked just
fine, expensive components in a well-ordered fashion. But from below
they were horrifying.

They were obviously hand-soldered, which might be a edge in marketing.
But I'd say that 80% of the solder joints were poorly made. I've done a
lot of soldering. Many years. I have not made such a sloppy job since I
was 14 or maybe even 13. There were three categories; too much solder
(large spherical blobs), too little solder (almost none), even joints
with deep holes. All were shiny, though. So they were probably ok. But
wave soldering or skilled personnel would have made them almost perfect,
it's really not that difficult.

A speaker is prone to vibration (cough). It also has high currents
running through it. A bad joint might affect the sound, even stop it
completely. A bad joint might even get hot enough to start a fire. I've
never heard of that, but still.

This particular brand has a 10 year warranty, so obviously this isn't a
problem for them.

Anyway, I'm baffled. (Pun intended.)



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pippin
2015-07-25 10:16:48 UTC
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The problem for many high-end manufacturers is, that they don't really
sell large volumes of these 25k speakers. No way that you can afford a
wave soldering setup or even have a large enough batch to get it
contracted.
So manual soldering and even there I'd think some of them might have
people doing all the assembly, not specializing in soldering because you
know, hiring someone to do just soldering and then having one day of
work for them each month doesn't really work...
Of course you can make sure your does-everything worker is well trained
and some certainly do but for some I'd bet it's the engineers themselves
actually building the devices.



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Gandhi
2015-07-25 11:14:47 UTC
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Yes, but they have a wide range of speakers, most of them cheaper but
perhaps a third are even more expensive. They must sell thousands of
speakers every year, and they all have passive filters. Plenty of
opportunity to excel in soldering, it's not difficult. And if they make
a lousy job with these simple things, how can you trust them to pay
better attention to the difficult matters? The exterior finish is
excellent, but for $25,000 I'd expect more.

I wonder how many of these filters that are rejected in quality control.



Best Regards,
Gandhi

not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with
accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|*
ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|*
transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|*
no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all,
including waking the server from s3.
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Mnyb
2015-07-25 11:27:24 UTC
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It's really really inefficient to hand build complex machinery of any
kind .

Anecdote time: a local artist where I live tried to prove this piont he
bought a really cheap power drill at the nearest tool shop .
And pulled it to pieces and painstakingly hand built a replica casting
all the parts metal and plastic wound his own motor windings etc . And
logged the time and cost ( only diff was that he made it transparent so
all internal parts would show up ).
He estimated that even with a really low pay hour salary it was well
over 10k $ and did not work really well and quality was worse than made
in China .

But speakers or both easy and very hard to build . Buy drivers stuff box
market the thing . Or build your own lab like Harman do real research
and come up with stuff like M2 .
There are all kinds of inbetweens to . Makes for interesting times when
buying speakers .



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ralphpnj
2015-07-25 14:01:31 UTC
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Since the cut in half speaker on display was most likely not made from a
"production" model but rather assembled from leftover parts then perhaps
the circuit boards were just "throw away" boards assembled solely for
this non-working display. One would have to look at a circuit board from
an actual production model of the speaker before making final judgement.



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Gandhi
2015-07-25 15:09:04 UTC
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Ah yes, that's true. One should look at a real one.

But I suppose the point of these units would be to actually make people
impressed with their products. Imagine "the IKEA experience" at a BMW
reseller. Cardboard engine and bean sacks for seats. "It's just a demo,
the production model is better equipped." Sell much? :-)

Well, I might be unfair. This speaker has a superb sound quality.



Best Regards,
Gandhi

not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with
accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|*
ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|*
transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|*
no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all,
including waking the server from s3.
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ralphpnj
2015-07-25 15:14:34 UTC
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Post by Gandhi
Ah yes, that's true. One should look at a real one.
But I suppose the point of these units would be to actually make people
impressed with their products. Imagine "the IKEA experience" at a BMW
reseller. Cardboard engine and bean sacks for seats. "It's just a demo,
the production model is better equipped." Sell much? :-)
Well, I might be unfair. This speaker has a superb sound quality.
You are correct - even the silly cut in half demo unit should be made to
display the fine craftsmanship of the speaker and apparently the demo
unit you examined failed to do this.



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& Energy sub
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Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar
Garage: SB3-JVC compact system
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