[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Put on your hip waders

[ralphpnj]

The latest insights from the finge:

http://www.audiostream.com/content/ab-test-audiostream-readers#Mb90mqpyt3JDowiK.97

http://www.audiostream.com/content/listening-ethernet#Qm1PEiqXwEVUpHPZ.97

Seems to me that Mr. Lavorgna is getting just a bit touchy. Perhaps
little old Toto has been pullng back the curtain again.


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[arnyk]

Post by ralphpnj
http://www.audiostream.com/content/ab-test-audiostream-readers#Mb90mqpyt3JDowiK.97
http://www.audiostream.com/content/listening-ethernet#Qm1PEiqXwEVUpHPZ.97
Seems to me that Mr. Lavorgna is getting just a bit touchy. Perhaps
little old Toto has been pullng back the curtain again.

If you read both articles, Lavorgna cites Atkinson as his unimpeachible
authority, and Atkinson cites Lavorgna.

Proof by authority is a well known error, and now you've two of them.

This is just a game of audio publication 3 card Monte.

Next!


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[ralphpnj]

Post by arnyk
If you read both articles, Lavorgna cites Atkinson as his unimpeachible
authority, and Atkinson cites Lavorgna.
Proof by authority is a well known error, and now you've two of them.
This is just a game of audio publication 3 card Monte.
Next!

Yes but they failed to cite the sainted JS!



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[bonze]

Post by ralphpnj
Yes but they failed to cite the sainted JS!

He gets an honourable mention in the comments...
Amongst all the 'bits are not bits', 'anyone that understands IT doesn't
listen to music', etc. etc.



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[ralphpnj]

Post by bonze
He gets an honourable mention in the comments...
Amongst all the 'bits are not bits', 'anyone that understands IT doesn't
listen to music', etc. etc.

Not only does the sainted JS get mentioned but there is also a saintly

Post by bonze
And here are all three parts of my Q&A with John Swenson - Part 1, Part
2, and Part 3. Part 1 includes a brief bio.
"The heart of all DAC's is nothing more than a chip with a value of
a few dollars in which all dataprocessing takes place."

And once the sainted JS is quoted all further debate/discussion becomes
pointless.



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[RonM]

Post by ralphpnj
http://www.audiostream.com/content/ab-test-audiostream-readers#Mb90mqpyt3JDowiK.97
http://www.audiostream.com/content/listening-ethernet#Qm1PEiqXwEVUpHPZ.97
Seems to me that Mr. Lavorgna is getting just a bit touchy. Perhaps
little old Toto has been pullng back the curtain again.

Those are not hip waders. They appear to be crotch waders.



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[andy_c]

Many of the exalted high-end gurus have an interesting story associated
with them. They tend to be "child prodigies" who have been designing
audio equipment since the age of 12 or so, yet never managed to obtain a
degree in engineering, physics or mathematics. This failure is seen as
an advantage though, as it shows them to not be subject to the
preconceived notions they might have if they actually knew something
about the subject matter.


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[Archimago]

Well, another week, more kvetching on the site...

Another poorly argued position. Not even sure what that position is
other than something about "bits are bits" people (whoever they are;
-everyone -with objective leanings?) presumably being wrong. And that
saying a subjectivist "believes" something rather than immediate
acknowledgement that he "knows" is somehow presumably insulting and
worthy of the Ignore List?

Fascinating denial of human perception as being fallible?

Strange... And this is somehow "more reasonable and productive."



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[toby10]

Post by Archimago
Strange... And this is somehow "more reasonable and productive."

Some "believe" so, yes. :)


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[Julf]

Post by Archimago
Fascinating denial of human perception as being fallible?

That is the point where you know any logical or factual arguments are
useless. If somebody is firmly convinced their perception is infallible,
trying to reason with them is about as useful as trying to reason with a
creationist or somebody who believes the pyramids were built by aliens
from another planet.



"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953
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[ralphpnj]

Post by Julf
That is the point where you know any logical or factual arguments are
useless. If somebody is firmly convinced their perception is infallible,
trying to reason with them is about as useful as trying to reason with a
creationist or somebody who believes the pyramids were built by aliens
from another planet.

Money always works, at least when it comes to the writers and editors of
high end magazines.



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[Julf]

Post by Archimago
Fascinating denial of human perception as being fallible?

I assume these people build their houses without using measuring tapes
or straight edges - as their eyesight provides an absolute reference
too...



"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953
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[arnyk]

Post by andy_c
Many of the exalted high-end gurus have an interesting story associated
with them. They tend to be "child prodigies" who have been designing
audio equipment since the age of 12 or so, yet never managed to obtain a
degree in engineering, physics or mathematics. This failure is seen as
an advantage though, as it shows them to not be subject to the
preconceived notions they might have if they actually knew something
about the subject matter.

An exception appears to be John Atkinson himself. Not much of his
biography is known but count on the good old AES to read some facts into
the public record:

http://www.aes.org/events/131/press/?ID=128

"
John Atkinson graduated from University of London in 1972 with an honors
degree in physics and chemistry, and from the University of London’s
School of Education in 1974 with a postgraduate qualification in the
teaching of high-school science. A musician, sound recordist, and
audiophile, Atkinson pursued all three areas simultaneously, before
settling down in magazine publishing in 1976, at UK’s Hi-Fi News &
Record Review. He became HFN/RR’s editor in 1982. In 1986 he moved to
the US to become editor of Stereophile, the position he still occupies.
By 1998, when he and his business partner sold the magazine to Petersen
Publications, they had tripled its circulation. In 1989, Atkinson
introduced a program of measuring the components reviewed in
Stereophile, and since then has measured 750 loudspeakers, 500
amplifiers and almost 300 digital products, all under standardized
conditions. He has also continued his recording activities, and to date
has produced, engineered, edited, mastered, and/or performed on more
than 40 commercially released recordings. Atkinson has been a member of
the AES since 1981; a committed generalist, he is very likely the only
audio magazine editor who has also panned for gold and made his own
transistors.
"

The 1972 undergraduate graduation suggests a birth date ca. 1950 which
puts his current age at approximately 65.


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