What Would You Replace a Transporter With?

[nicoff]

I have had a transporter for many years and really enjoy it very much
but I was wondering: If I had to replace the Transporter with something
better today, what would that unit be?
The Transporter has been out of production for so long, that if my unit
were to break down, I would like to know what my options would be.
Thanks!


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[jimbobvfr400]

A Touch would be my first thought. If you were so inclined you could use
a standalone DAC. Either connected by coax/optical or depending on the
DAC by USB using Triodes EDO app.

Using EDO also opens up the possibility of using bit rates higher than
96.

Personally I think high res music is a pointless exercise but don't want
to start yet another argument on the subject so will leave my opinions
at that.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk




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[cliveb]

nicoff wrote:
> I have had a transporter for many years and really enjoy it very much
> but I was wondering: If I had to replace the Transporter with something
> better today, what would that unit be?
If you're contemplating moving away from LMS, my comment would be that
there is *still* no acceptable alternative to the Squeezebox ecosystem.
You can take that bodged excuse for a media delivery protocol (DLNA) and
stick it where the sun don't shine.

My main system is a TP driving active monitors via the balanced outputs.
So any replacement would have to include balanced analogue outs. Until
recently, I'd have said the obvious replacement would be a Touch plus
suitable DAC (Benchmark, Lavry, or similar). But now we have the
prospect of the CSP2, which will have balanced outputs, and John Swenson
claims will have a superb sounding DAC. So if my TP died today, I'd
probably get a Wandboard, install CSOS, and make do with a cheap
balanced DAC (eg. Cambridge DAC Magic) while waiting for the CSP2
carrier board to become available.



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[riffer]

cliveb wrote:
> If you're contemplating moving away from LMS, my comment would be that
> there is *still* no acceptable alternative to the Squeezebox ecosystem.
> You can take that bodged excuse for a media delivery protocol (DLNA) and
> stick it where the sun don't shine.
>
> .... But now we have the prospect of the CSP2, which will have balanced
> outputs, and John Swenson claims will have a superb sounding DAC. So if
> my TP died today, I'd probably get a Wandboard, install CSOS, and make
> do with a cheap balanced DAC (eg. Cambridge DAC Magic) while waiting for
> the CSP2 carrier board to become available.


+1

I think this is the way forward; Controlling the setup from a Tablet or
something similar.


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[ralphpnj]

cliveb wrote:
> If you're contemplating moving away from LMS, my comment would be that
> there is *still* no acceptable alternative to the Squeezebox ecosystem.
> You can take that bodged excuse for a media delivery protocol (DLNA) and
> stick it where the sun don't shine.

Yet for some strange reason the entire media/music library management
failures of the DLNA are completely overlooked by just about everyone
when it comes to most steaming media players. As frustrating and
annoying as SBS/LMS can be when misbehaving (and it does tend to
misbehave now and then, just like a small child) it is a pleasure to use
when working correctly.

To replace my Transporter I would use a Touch feeding a DAC with
balanced analog output. And I'd still get to use the LMS ecosystem,
which by the way, is essential for a large (over 100,000 tracks) music
library.



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& Energy sub
Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0
Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar
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[riffer]

ralphpnj wrote:
> Yet for some strange reason the entire media/music library management
> failures of the DLNA are completely overlooked by just about everyone
> when it comes to most steaming media players. As frustrating and
> annoying as SBS/LMS can be when misbehaving (and it does tend to
> misbehave now and then, just like a small child) it is a pleasure to use
> when working correctly.
>
> To replace my Transporter I would use a Touch feeding a DAC with
> balanced analog output. And I'd still get to use the LMS ecosystem,
> which by the way, is essential for a large (over 100,000 tracks) music
> library.

Exactly my feeling. I replaced my Transporter with an Oppo BDP-95.
When the Oppo had to go for servicing a few months ago, I put the
Transporter back in so I could at least have music. Net result is that
the Transporter stayed in and the Oppo will be sold. LMS is such a
better interface it makes playing music a much more pleasant experience.
In the end the Transporter is in storage due to space limitations and I
am currently using a Squeezebox Classic + Audio-gd Master 7 DAC
(Balanced Output). Optical disk and DLNA video playback is being
handled by a Sony BDP-3100. I might get a Touch and use the USB out
mod, or I might just wait for the CSOS thing to be finalized and use
BNC-BNC like I was with the Transporter.


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[ralphpnj]

Please excuse my ignorance but what is CSOS?

Other than:

CSOS Center for Social Organization of Schools
CSOS Controlled Substances Ordering System (US DEA)
CSOS Central States Orthopedic Specialists (Oklahoma)
CSOS Company Share Option Scheme (various organizations)
CSOS California School of Organizational Studies
CSOS Cypress School of Skating (Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada)



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& Energy sub
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Garage: SB3-JVC compact system
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[aubuti]

ralphpnj wrote:
> Please excuse my ignorance but what is CSOS?
Community Squeeze Operating System
See
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99395-Community-Squeeze-OS-F19-Release-1


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[[e-mail]]

Used Mac mini as a dedicated server
Ayre qb9 dac

Im moving away from network players


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[ralphpnj]

jhonsberger-***@public.gmane.org wrote:
> Used Mac mini as a dedicated server
> Ayre qb9 dac
>
> Im moving away from network players

Following Logitech's lead.



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[jimmypowder]

"ralphpnj wrote:
> Following Logitech's lead.

Well the whole Logitech -Squeezebox debacle has certainly encouraged me
to look at
an alternative way to play my music .

By using a direct link to a computer ,I also don't have to worry about
music services being
compatible with a network player .

Now I just need to explain to my wife why we so badly need an Ayre QB9
dac . They certainly aren't
cheap .




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[ralphpnj]

Let's make one thing perfectly clear:

A computer feeding a DAC (usually via a USB cable) IS NOT the same thing
as a server based streaming system, such as the Squeezebox system.

Some important differences are:

1) The ability to play music to multiple players, either the same music
or completely different music.

2) The ability to have the server remotely located.

3) When using a Mac the inability to play flac files.



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Garage: SB3-JVC compact system
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[garym]

ralphpnj wrote:
>
> Some important differences are:
>
> 1) The ability to play music to multiple players, either the same music
> or completely different music.
> 2) The ability to have the server remotely located.
>

Yes! And both of these are key benefits to me in my own setup. I moved
to the Squeezebox ecosystem from a single computer > DAC > Stereo System
in order to achieve these benefits.



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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > SqueezePlay
*Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD & SqueezePad),
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[jimmypowder]

"ralphpnj wrote:
> Let's make one thing perfectly clear: A computer feeding a DAC (usually
> via a USB cable) IS NOT the same thing as a server based streaming
> system, such as the Squeezebox system. Some important differences are:
> 1) The ability to play music to multiple players, either the same music
> or completely different music. 2) The ability to have the server
> remotely located. 3) When using a Mac the inability to play flac files.

Point 1 :I have one location
that the Mac mini can stay and play music throughout the house , inside
and outside .in every room .,using
different amps and speaker wiring throughout the house . Two
distribution amps to that feed a couple of
dozen speakers . I can play music inside and outside that is different .

Point 2:: I could remotely locate the " headless " Mac mini via a long
Ethernet cable within the walls if I wanted
The cable and switches are already there
Point 3 : all my files are apple lossless , except some 24/96 files
which I'll be able to play with a program other
then itunes .




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[Mnyb]

jimmypowder wrote:
> Point 1 :I have one location
> that the Mac mini can stay and play music throughout the house , inside
> and outside .in every room .,using
> different amps and speaker wiring throughout the house . Two
> distribution amps to that feed a couple of
> dozen speakers . I can play music inside and outside that is different .
>
> Point 2:: I could remotely locate the " headless " Mac mini via a long
> Ethernet cable within the walls if I wanted
> The cable and switches are already there
> Point 3 : all my files are apple lossless , except some 24/96 files
> which I'll be able to play with a program other
> then itunes .

Can you play not the same music at two locations at the same time ?



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Misc use: Radio (with battery)
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[jimmypowder]

"Mnyb wrote:
> Can you play not the same music at two locations at the same time ?

I can play different music either outside or inside .

I cannot play two different music inside the house in two different
rooms but I really don't
care about that .




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[garym]

jimmypowder wrote:
> I can play different music either outside or inside .
>
> I cannot play two different music inside the house in two different
> rooms but I really don't
> care about that .

I don't use this function myself, but I know even my vortexbox server
can create several independent software players from the box itself, all
feeding different USB DACs, etc. and all controlled by LMS database.



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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) > LMS 7.7.2 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > SqueezePlay
*Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD & SqueezePad),
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garym wrote:
> I don't use this function myself, but I know even my vortexbox server
> can create several independent software players from the box itself, all
> feeding different USB DACs, etc. and all controlled by LMS database.

Yeah one of the drawbacks of my setup .To some ,it would be a
deal-breaker but not for me.


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[garym]

jimmypowder wrote:
>
> Point 2:: I could remotely locate the " headless " Mac mini via a long
> Ethernet cable within the walls if I wanted
> The cable and switches are already there

just curious on this point. Are you saying that there are also long USB
cables in the wall so that you can connect the mac mini to your
DAC/stereo, which could be far away from the Mac Mini? (as an aside,
what is the "max" length one can run a USB cable? Several hundred feet?
Not sure, just curious)



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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > SqueezePlay
*Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD & SqueezePad),
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[jimmypowder]

"garym wrote:
> just curious on this point. Are you saying that there are also long
> USB cables in the wall so that you can connect the mac mini to your
> DAC/stereo, which could be far away from the Mac Mini? (as an aside,
> what is the "max" length one can run a USB cable? Several hundred feet?
> Not sure, just curious)

50 foot USB




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[Julf]

garym wrote:
> as an aside, what is the "max" length one can run a USB cable? Several
> hundred feet? Not sure, just curious

Depending on speed and USB version, either 3 or 5 m (10 and 16 ft,
respectively).



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Julf wrote:
> Depending on speed and USB version, either 3 or 5 m (10 and 16 ft,
> respectively).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50Ft-50F-USB-2-0-Extension-Cable-w-Booster-Repeater-Extender-15M-15-Meter-/390684218338

It can be extended.


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[Julf]

jhonsberger-***@public.gmane.org wrote:
> It can be extended.

With an active repeater that regenerates the signal, yes. But a normal
USB cable shouldn't be longer than 3 or 5 m.



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[Archimago]

Julf wrote:
> With an active repeater that regenerates the signal, yes. But a normal
> USB cable shouldn't be longer than 3 or 5 m.

Correct, standard USB should not be longer than about 15-20 feet.

An inexpensive active USB extender like the one I wrote about can
connect to my TEAC UD-501 at full USB2 speeds for DSD128 and 24/192+ -
I've tried up to 50 feet with good Cat 5e cable as in the description
with no noticeable audio degradation.

'
USB-Ethernet Cable Extender'
(http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/12/measurements-usb-cable-extension-with.html)



Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective'
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[ralphpnj]

As I stated in an earlier post I would replace my Transporter with a SB
Touch and a DAC with balanced outputs. To that end I just purchased a SB
Touch from someone on Audiogon for $325 - just being a good Boy Scout
and being prepared :)



Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. &
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& Energy sub
Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0
Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar
Garage: SB3-JVC compact system
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ralphpnj wrote:
> As I stated in an earlier post I would replace my Transporter with a SB
> Touch and a DAC with balanced outputs. To that end I just purchased a SB
> Touch from someone on Audiogon for $325 - just being a good Boy Scout
> and being prepared :)

Its a nice setup but my concern would be music services ,current and in
the future. I want the ability to play them and only Spotify with
Triod's plugin would be accessible
when mysqueezebox is ended.

That's why I'm going with a headless mac mini and usb dac connected to
my entire speaker network throughout the house.

If you don't play music services much then your setup is great.


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[ralphpnj]

jhonsberger-***@public.gmane.org wrote:
> Its a nice setup but my concern would be music services ,current and in
> the future. I want the ability to play them and only Spotify with
> Triod's plugin would be accessible
> when mysqueezebox is ended.
>
> That's why I'm going with a headless mac mini and usb dac connected to
> my entire speaker network throughout the house.
>
> If you don't play music services much then your setup is great.

Correct - I don't use music services very much and have no interest in
using them until they offer lossless quality streaming otherwise I can
just listen to them using a laptop - the laptop's built in speakers are
perfect for listening to low bit rate streaming services.



Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. &
sub
Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub
Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1
& Energy sub
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Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar
Garage: SB3-JVC compact system
Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso
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[Mnyb]

ralphpnj wrote:
> Correct - I don't use music services very much and have no interest in
> using them until they offer lossless quality streaming otherwise I can
> just listen to them using a laptop - the laptop's built in speakers are
> perfect for listening to low bit rate streaming services.

Spotify's 320kBps ogg sound prettty decent , some albums are of lower
rate if very obscure but its not that bad . Actually pretty close on the
fwe ones i casually compared .
320k should in reality be completely indistinguasable from lossles if
done rigth ,but i think spotify takes some shortcuts it's not perfect .

I could get Wimp lossles where i live ,but i do use spotify as music
discovery service , travel music and for friends playlist during parties
(then you just cant tell the diff at all anymore )



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Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad
(in storage SB3, reciever ,controller )
server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

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ralphpnj wrote:
> Correct - I don't use music services very much and have no interest in
> using them until they offer lossless quality streaming otherwise I can
> just listen to them using a laptop - the laptop's built in speakers are
> perfect for listening to low bit rate streaming services.

Well if a lossless music service comes along(I think France has one) you
certainly won't be able to play it on the Touch.

For me ,it's just another reason for me to use my macmini direct to a
usb dac.

Maybe Pono(Neil Young's upcoming music service) will be worth it .


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[Julf]

jhonsberger-***@public.gmane.org wrote:
> Well if a lossless music service comes along(I think France has one) you
> certainly won't be able to play it on the Touch.

Really? For most new services there has been a 3rd party app supporting
it pretty quickly.

> Maybe Pono(Neil Young's upcoming music service) will be worth it.

But probably not.



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[[e-mail]]

Julf wrote:
> Really? For most new services there has been a 3rd party app supporting
> it pretty quickly.
>
>
>
> But probably not.

The only 3rd party app i see is Triode's Spotify app . Are you saying
when mysqueezebox ends,there will be
developers chomping at the bit to develop 3rd party apps for a
discontinued product line?


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[Julf]

jhonsberger-***@public.gmane.org wrote:
> The only 3rd party app i see is Triode's Spotify app.

I see at least BBC iplayer, NPR radio, Radio Paradise, Classic FM,
jazzFM, Quobuz. RTE, Wefunk, Youtube and bandcamp.

> Are you saying when mysqueezebox ends,there will be developers chomping
> at the bit to develop 3rd party apps for a discontinued product line?

No idea, I don't use mysqueezebox and have everything I need supported
OK.



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[[e-mail]]

Julf wrote:
> I see at least BBC iplayer, NPR radio, Radio Paradise, Classic FM,
> jazzFM, Quobuz. RTE, Wefunk, Youtube and bandcamp.
>
>
>
> No idea, I don't use mysqueezebox and have everything I need supported
> OK.

Most of those 3rd party apps you don't need .Cant you play Radio
Paradise ,NPR,Clasic FM ,WEfunk by just adding the url to favorites?


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[Julf]

jhonsberger-***@public.gmane.org wrote:
> Most of those 3rd party apps you don't need .Cant you play Radio
> Paradise ,NPR,Clasic FM ,WEfunk by just adding the url to favorites?

Sure. The point is that there is a host of 3rd party apps.



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[ralphpnj]

jhonsberger-***@public.gmane.org wrote:
> For me ,it's just another reason for me to use my macmini direct to a
> usb dac.

This is the Audiophile section of the forum and the macmini -> USB DAC
seems to be the "official" audiophile way to play (NOT stream) digital
files (except for flac files) so I guess that it is the way to go
provided you don't mind:

1) iTunes and its terrible music library management capabilities (I'm
really stretching the meaning of "capabilities" here since iTunes has
basically no coherent music library management ability)

2) Having to manually manage iTunes when switching between digital audio
files with different bit rates

or

2a) buying a third party to manage the playback of different bit rates

Other than these few issues the audiophile approved macmini -> USB DAC
setup is the way to go!



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ralphpnj wrote:
> This is the Audiophile section of the forum and the macmini -> USB DAC
> seems to be the "official" audiophile way to play (NOT stream) digital
> files (except for flac files) so I guess that it is the way to go
> provided you don't mind:
>
> 1) iTunes and its terrible music library management capabilities (I'm
> really stretching the meaning of "capabilities" here since iTunes has
> basically no coherent music library management ability)
>
> 2) Having to manually manage iTunes when switching between digital audio
> files with different bit rates
>
> or
>
> 2a) buying a third party to manage the playback of different bit rates
>
> Other than these few issues the audiophile approved macmini -> USB DAC
> setup is the way to go!

No question Itunes is weak .I guess you could use amarra ,etc.


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[ralphpnj]

jimmypowder wrote:
> Point 1 :I have one location
> that the Mac mini can stay and play music throughout the house , inside
> and outside .in every room .,using
> different amps and speaker wiring throughout the house . Two
> distribution amps to that feed a couple of
> dozen speakers . I can play music inside and outside that is different .
>
> Point 2:: I could remotely locate the " headless " Mac mini via a long
> Ethernet cable within the walls if I wanted
> The cable and switches are already there
> Point 3 : all my files are apple lossless , except some 24/96 files
> which I'll be able to play with a program other
> then itunes .

Just to be clear - the system you described above is NOT a simple
computer->USB->USB DAC->stereo setup that you alluded to in your earlier
post. Rather it more like one of those "whole house" system from the
days before the advent of wireless streaming. All you are doing is
replacing the central tuner/CD player with a Mac Mini->USB DAC setup.

That being said I will acknowledge that the Mac Mini setup can be
remotely controlled via a laptop or tablet so it is step up from the
older "whole house" audio system.



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& Energy sub
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[[e-mail]]

ralphpnj wrote:
> Just to be clear - the system you described above is NOT a simple
> computer->USB->USB DAC->stereo setup that you alluded to in your earlier
> post. Rather it more like one of those "whole house" system from the
> days before the advent of wireless streaming. All you are doing is
> replacing the central tuner/CD player with a Mac Mini->USB DAC setup.
>
> That being said I will acknowledge that the Mac Mini setup can be
> remotely controlled via a laptop or tablet so it is step up from the
> older "whole house" audio system.

Yes this is correct.


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[ismarketing]

http://www.sonore.us/SOtM1.html


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[cliveb]

ismarketing wrote:
> http://www.sonore.us/SOtM1.html
Interesting. From the blurb on their website, it would appear that this
device is basically a Squeezebox with only USB digital output (and no
wireless AFAICT). Basically the "audiophile digital-output only" SB that
some on this forum have wished for.

So: a third party has decided to build new hardware for the Squeezebox
ecosystem, which is good news. (OTOH, $450 seems a bit on the pricey
side). I wonder if any more will join the party? With LMS being
open-source, Logitech is basically irrelevant as far as the survival of
the system is concerned.



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[garym]

cliveb wrote:
> Interesting. From the blurb on their website, it would appear that this
> device is basically a Squeezebox with only USB digital output (and no
> wireless AFAICT). Basically the "audiophile digital-output only" SB that
> some on this forum have wished for.
>
> So: a third party has decided to build new hardware for the Squeezebox
> ecosystem, which is good news. (OTOH, $450 seems a bit on the pricey
> side). I wonder if any more will join the party? With LMS being
> open-source, Logitech is basically irrelevant as far as the survival of
> the system is concerned.

I think sonore has been building these for several years, well before
Touch was discontinued. Basically an "audiophile" vortexbox.



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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
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*Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD & SqueezePad),
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[aubuti]

garym wrote:
> I think sonore has been building these for several years, well before
> Touch was discontinued. Basically an "audiophile" vortexbox.
No, this one is the audiophile Touch, or because it has no display,
maybe more accurately the audiophile Duet Receiver. The "audiophile
vortexbox" is a different product, costing US$2500 and up....
http://www.sonore.us/SOtM2.html#2. Although I guess that one is a
Receiver and a VB appliance in the same box.


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[garym]

aubuti wrote:
> No, this one is the audiophile Touch, or because it has no display,
> maybe more accurately the audiophile Duet Receiver. The "audiophile
> vortexbox" is a different product, costing US$2500 and up....
> http://www.sonore.us/SOtM2.html#2. Although I guess that one is a
> Receiver and a VB appliance in the same box.

aha. Yep, the one I had seen a few years ago was the Receiver and VB in
one box.



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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
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[Archimago]

It will be a sad day when my Transporter dies :-(

In late 2012 after the announcement that the Squeezebox was
discontinued, I managed to buy a used Touch. This is the unit I did all
the tests on last year. Well, I put the Touch away back in its box in
storage yesterday since I still have my old SB3 for general streaming in
my living room...

I figure, when the time comes, it'll be the Touch --> DAC (maybe my TEAC
UD-501). Let's hope it's a long time from now ;-)



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[ralphpnj]

Archimago wrote:
> It will be a sad day when my Transporter dies :-(

On a related note, during the recent trouble/problems I was having
upgrading from Squeezebox Server to Logitech Media Server I was not able
to use any of my Squeezebox devices to stream my music library and it
was hell. Sure I could stream internet radio and other music services
but I much to prefer to listen to my own music since about 99% of it is
lossless flac as opposed to the low bit rate mp3 of most internet
streams.

Things got so bad that I actually had to play a few CDs - after
relearned how to use my CD player :) How 20th century.



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& Energy sub
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Garage: SB3-JVC compact system
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[Tim-Ann]

Hi, why are a few people saying they cannot play FLAC tracks on their
Mac Mini, SqueezePlay via iPeng-7 works fine for me plus JRiver Media
Centre for the Mac plays FLAC tracks, finally you can just load LMS
directly onto the Mac Mini and it will also play FLAC using iPhone or
iPad to control it.

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[foxx]

Well, I don't own TP. But whenever my Touch should go up in smoke I will
definetely have a closer look at the Raumfeld stuff. Their Connector 2
seems to be everything the Touch ever promised to be when it came out,
except for the touch display. Some of the major features are: no server
software required, option to hook up a large USB disc, highres (for
those who want it), wifi, multi room capability, cheap (200 EUR),
digital out.


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[pablolie]

i was extremely tempted to get a Transporter. sweet sounding design.

but when the time came to make changes i used one of my Touch and use a
Benchmark DAC2 HGC as the DA. truly a very revealing and yet not
fatiguing little unit, and very flexible because of all the input
(including analog) and output options, including its great ability as a
preamp. i am just a customer but can give it my whole-hearted
endorsement.



...pablo
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Player
System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval
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KEF LS50
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[darrenyeats]

pablolie wrote:
> i was extremely tempted to get a Transporter. sweet sounding design.
>
> but when the time came to make changes i used one of my Touch and use a
> Benchmark DAC2 HGC as the DA. truly a very revealing and yet not
> fatiguing little unit, and very flexible because of all the input
> (including analog) and output options, including its great ability as a
> preamp. i am just a customer but can give it my whole-hearted
> endorsement.
Out of interest, do you use the single ended or balanced outputs of the
DAC2?



Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503.

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[amcluesent]

Probably a Naim ND5 XS


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[agillis]

An Audiophile VortexBox would be a good replacement.

http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/Audiophile-VortexBox-vbAudiophile.htm

This will get you CD ripping, music storage, and the latest LMS. Then
you just need a good USB DAC and something to control the system with
like an iPod touch

What does a Transporter have that the Audiophile VortexBox/USB DAC does
not?
- That cool VFD screen!

What Audiophile VortexBox/USB DAC have that that Transporter does not?
- 24/192 support (36/384 support if your DAC supports it!)
- DSD support
- CD Ripping and storage
- All in one solution (no PC required)
- Still being sold and supported by the manufacture

The cost would be around $675 for the VortexBox + $200 to $1500 for a
good DAC. So your total cost could be less then the original transporter
depending on the DAC you select.



rip, tag, get cover art… All you do is insert the CD!
http://vortexbox.org

agillis
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[foxx]

agillis wrote:
> An Audiophile VortexBox would be a good replacement.
>
>
> - CD Ripping and storage
> - All in one solution (no PC required)
>

I've yet to see a solution that doesn't require a PC in the end. There
is no machine that will tag your track 100% properly. Therefore I I have
never really understood the concept of an all-in-one
ripper/storage/player device.


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[SlimChances]

CSOS - Cumpulsive Stereo Obsesssiveness Syndrome, perhaps



Logitech Media Server Version: 7.8.0 - 1386246861 @ Fri Dec 6 19:06:27
PST 2013
Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8
Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux
Perl Version: 5.14.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1)
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[cliveb]

ralphpnj wrote:
> Yet for some strange reason the entire media/music library management
> failures of the DLNA are completely overlooked by just about everyone
> when it comes to most *-_steaming_-* media players.
Wonderful Freudian slip! (Or was it deliberate?)



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[garym]

cliveb wrote:
> Wonderful Freudian slip! (Or was it deliberate?)

my first morning smile! ;)



*Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.2) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) > LMS 7.7.2 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > SqueezePlay
*Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD & SqueezePad),
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[ralphpnj]

aubuti wrote:
> Community Squeeze Operating System
> See
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99395-Community-Squeeze-OS-F19-Release-1

Thank you! However when I opened the link and tried to read the thread I
must admit that I was completely lost. Do you think it would be possible
for someone to present a layman's summary of what CSOS is, does and will
mean for the current Squeezebox user. Again another thanks in advance!

cliveb wrote:
> Wonderful Freudian slip! (Or was it deliberate?)

Wasn't deliberate since LMS happened to be working correctly at the time
otherwise I would have been rather "steamed".

garym wrote:
> my first morning smile! ;)

You're welcome (I'm taking a little credit :))



Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. &
sub
Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub
Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1
& Energy sub
Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0
Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar
Garage: SB3-JVC compact system
Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso
Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos
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[reinholdk]

ralphpnj wrote:
> Thank you! However when I opened the link and tried to read the thread I
> must admit that I was completely lost. Do you think it would be possible
> for someone to present a layman's summary of what CSOS is, does and will
> mean for the current Squeezebox user. Again another thanks in advance!
>

www.communitysqueeze.org might be better suited as an introduction.


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[ralphpnj]

reinholdk wrote:
> www.communitysqueeze.org might be better suited as an introduction.

Thank you! That's much better and now I'm beginning to understand.



Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. &
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& Energy sub
Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0
Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar
Garage: SB3-JVC compact system
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[garym]

I plan on purchasing a couple of the csp2 boards myself!



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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > SqueezePlay
*Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD & SqueezePad),
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[Mnyb]

garym wrote:
> I plan on purchasing a couple of the csp2 boards myself!

Me too , maybe even a CSP1 if they be available , I've not followed
exactly what will be aviable to who :)

Just hoping they freeze the design phase and start refining/debugging it
to something you can buy , think I go for quad core wand boards btw .



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Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x
MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3
sub.
Bedroom/Office: Boom
Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad
(in storage SB3, reciever ,controller )
server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
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[netchord]

a used Transporter.



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4 TB Drobo-->FW 800-->mac mini-->Ethernet
Transporter--> Wireworld Eclipse 6 coax-->Meridian G61
G61--> Nordost Red Dawn-->Primare 30.3
Primare-->Ocos--Vienna Acoustics Beethoven/Maestro
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[darrenyeats]

Maybe the one box solution could cut out the S/PDIF / USB interface bit?
Perhaps use I2S or some such.



Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503.

SB Touch
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[garym]

darrenyeats wrote:
> Maybe the one box solution could cut out the S/PDIF / USB interface bit?
> Perhaps use I2S or some such.

what does the transporter used internally to connect the network
streamer portion to the internal DAC?



*Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > Squeezelite
*Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone4S & iPad2 (iPeng7 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or
SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop
Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Streaming - Spotify
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[adamdea]

garym wrote:
> what does the transporter use internally to connect the network streamer
> portion to the internal DAC?
I was under the impression that most components use i2s internally


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[pablolie]

i complete agree with those saying the LMS system still has extremely
complelling advantages.

these days i use a Touch with a pretty good external DAC in my main
system and i am *extremely* happy with it. i have packed the LMS system
into an OVA file so i can henceforth spin it up quickly within VM
Player, which should add some years, and have some replacement Boxen.
the prices the Touch commands on Ebay are a testament to the unique
value of the LMS ecosystem (and Logitech's myopic vision,
unfortunately).

if for some reason my LMS system was to disappear overnight, after
tearing out my hair and being grief-struck for a week i'd prolly simply
connect my DAC directly to a media computer via USB. there are plenty of
good control solutions for that (check out jriver). but you'd lose synch
between players and other neat stuff. i love the simplicity of the LMS
concept.



...pablo
Server: Virtual Machine running Ubuntu 12.04 + LMS 7.7.3 on VMware
Player
System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval
Copper XLR->- Creek Destiny Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->-
KEF LS50
Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> AudioEngine5
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