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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mystery Solved - The source of this forum's crazies
garym
2015-06-02 19:41:36 UTC
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Aha! It is now perfectly clear where some of our
anti-science/engineering posters come from....

Russian Troll Farms (from today's NY Times):

http://tinyurl.com/o9my4zg



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ralphpnj
2015-06-02 23:20:59 UTC
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Post by garym
Aha! It is now perfectly clear where some of our
anti-science/engineering posters come from....
http://tinyurl.com/o9my4zg
I saw that article earlier today and think of this forum but then I
realized that trolls aren't needed since there are plenty of audiophiles
to go around on this and every other audio related forum, site and blog.
Plus in the world of audiophiles it is pro-science/engineering posters
who are the trolls.



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Mnyb
2015-06-03 04:30:27 UTC
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trolls and political shills am on with the article . But this is just a
large nest of the sort suspect everyone from the Chinese to political
organisations are at it ,but at industrial scale I suspect that Russia
China US and the religious nutters of varying kind does it ( non
mentioned non forgotten ).

Anti science folks , US have a lot of homegrown people of that sort . Is
not only 40% of the populace that believes in evolution ? ( in Sweden
it's 80% and that's still embarrasing ) . Sorry to say many anti
science movements starts in the U.S.

More closer to audiophile beliefs it's clear that at least 1/3 of all
product reviews on the Internet are fake . Suspect that this figure goes
up in the snake oil bussineses where audiophile products are a small
part .



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arnyk
2015-06-03 08:02:37 UTC
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Post by Mnyb
trolls and political shills am on with the article . But this is just a
large nest of the sort suspect everyone from the Chinese to political
organisations are at it ,but at industrial scale I suspect that Russia
China US and the religious nutters of varying kind does it ( non
mentioned non forgotten ).
Anti science folks , US have a lot of homegrown people of that sort . Is
not only 40% of the populace that believes in evolution ? ( in Sweden
it's 80% and that's still embarrasing ) . Sorry to say many anti
science movements starts in the U.S.
More closer to audiophile beliefs it's clear that at least 1/3 of all
product reviews on the Internet are fake . Suspect that this figure goes
up in the snake oil bussineses where audiophile products are a small
part .
Late last year I read a book called "Nothing Is True and Everything Is
Possible: The Surreal.. " by dissident Russian journalist Peter
Pomerantsev. What it says is very consistent with the NYT article.

What can I say?

Interestingly enough I did some research on a certain Placebophile USB
enhancement device and uncovered evidence that there had been somewhat
over 200 sales of the device. A thread praising it on a certain
Placebophile web site had pretty much the same number of favorable
comments about it. Coincidence or disinformation of a kind?


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rgro
2015-06-03 12:54:33 UTC
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Post by arnyk
What can I say?
Interestingly enough I did some research on a certain Placebophile USB
enhancement device and uncovered evidence that there had been somewhat
over 200 sales of the device. A thread praising it on a certain
Placebophile web site had pretty much the same number of favorable
comments about it. Coincidence or disinformation of a kind?
What can I say? I say: really, Arny, whatever opinion one has--positive
or negative--about that particular device, this type of unsubstantiated
innuendo is really pretty despicable and should have no place here.
You've gone beyond the bounds of what most would define as appropriate
behavior for this forum. I'd ask that you please retract the offending
paragraph.



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arnyk
2015-06-03 14:16:26 UTC
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Post by rgro
What can I say? I say: really, Arny, whatever opinion one has--positive
or negative--about that particular device, this type of unsubstantiated
innuendo is really pretty despicable and should have no place here.
You've gone beyond the bounds of what most would define as appropriate
behavior for this forum. I'd ask that you please retract the offending
paragraph.
What unsubstantiated innuendo? The facts about the sales and the number
of posts are there, +/- whatever happened to sales since and posts since
last week.

I have asked a number of independent adults whether they find a
situation like this to be well exceptional, and they all said they
thought was pretty strange and a never-seen-before coincidence.

I suggest that you find a skepticism hat to go with those rose-colored
glasses so that your world view might be more balanced.


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ralphpnj
2015-06-03 14:38:20 UTC
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Post by arnyk
What unsubstantiated innuendo? The facts about the sales and the number
of posts are there, +/- whatever happened to sales since and posts since
last week.
I have asked a number of independent adults whether they find a
situation like this to be well exceptional, and they all said they
thought was pretty strange and a never-seen-before coincidence.
I suggest that you find a skepticism hat to go with those rose-colored
glasses so that your world view might be more balanced.;-)
That and ceasing and desisting with blatant attacks on my character
would probably help the forum be more peaceful.
Arny - Perhaps your cause would be better served if you, as rgro
politely suggested, you toned down the personal attacks and instead
focused on the real threat to logic and reason, namely all those so
called experts presently writing for the various overly glossy high end
audio publications, whether these publications are print or web based.
What individual audiophiles care to believe and spend their money on is
of little concern since the damage they do is more often than not
limited to themselves and their wallets. The damage done by the clowns
(and as I've often written, "clowns" is my very nice way of calling them
since other far nastier names would be much closer to the truth) in the
high end audio press is of more concern.

Add to all this the simple fact that all the charges you level against
individual audiophiles (lack of hard evidence, magical beliefs, etc.)
can also be leveled against the member of the high end audio press and
you can see how focusing on the source of the misinformation might prove
to be more productive. In any event, please keep fighting the good
fight.



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rgro
2015-06-03 15:44:16 UTC
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Post by arnyk
What unsubstantiated innuendo? The facts about the sales and the number
of posts are there, +/- whatever happened to sales since and posts since
last week.
I have asked a number of independent adults whether they find a
situation like this to be well exceptional, and they all said they
thought was pretty strange and a never-seen-before coincidence.
I suggest that you find a skepticism hat to go with those rose-colored
glasses so that your world view might be more balanced.;-)
That and ceasing and desisting with blatant attacks on my character
would probably help the forum be more peaceful.
O.K., let me be very specific: by ending your post with the question:
"Coincidence or disinformation of a kind?" you are attempting to
not-so-slyly plant the seed that there may be some type of campaign by
the company or some nefarious agents to conflate positive forum posts
with the number of sales made.

If the company is conducting this type of activity it absolutely should
be uncovered and exposed. If it's not going on, then you've insinuated
that 1 + 1 = 3. You have no proof of that it is either coincidence or
disinformation. So I will quote from Webster's definition of innuendo:


"an oblique allusion : hint, insinuation; especially : a veiled or
equivocal reflection on character or reputation."

Whilst there is, indeed, some information from the company regarding the
number of sales made and, yes, the information regarding the number of
forum posts on any given subject is there for all to see, your
implication that these two facts are, somehow, linked is unadulterated
and unproven speculation on your part and fits quite nicely with the
definition of innuendo.

Attempting to back up your point by citing conversations with some vague
unnamed "number of independent adults" is unbecoming to your professed
scientific nature. Please take Ralph's advice and refrain from such
talk, stick to talking science, and leave the conspiracy theory innuendo
for some other, more appropriate forum.



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arnyk
2015-06-03 21:07:35 UTC
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Post by rgro
"Coincidence or disinformation of a kind?" you are attempting to
not-so-slyly plant the seed that there may be some type of campaign by
the company or some nefarious agents to conflate positive forum posts
with the number of sales made.
There was nothing sly about it. I think that everyone who thinks it is
normal for virtually every purchaser of a product to praise it on the
same thread in the same forum, then they might consider getting back up
on that turnip truck and heading back to the farm!
Post by rgro
If the company is conducting this type of activity it absolutely should
be uncovered and exposed.
How does an outsider prove such a thing?
Post by rgro
If it's not going on, then you've insinuated that 1 + 1 = 3.
Exactly.
Post by rgro
You have no proof of that it is either coincidence or disinformation.
Never said I did! But there is that evidence...
Post by rgro
"an oblique allusion : hint, insinuation; especially : a veiled or
equivocal reflection on character or reputation."
I don't think there was anything oblique about what I said. It was
stated as clear as I could make it. There was no attempt to do anything
but lay the existing evidence out.
Post by rgro
Whilst there is, indeed, some information from the company regarding the
number of sales made and, yes, the information regarding the number of
forum posts on any given subject is there for all to see, your
implication that these two facts are, somehow, linked is unadulterated
and unproven speculation on your part and fits quite nicely with the
definition of innuendo.
Call it what you want to. This is all about free speech.
Post by rgro
Attempting to back up your point by citing conversations with some vague
unnamed "number of independent adults" is unbecoming to your professed
scientific nature.
It is true that the best evidence is the amazing coincidence. OTOH, I
wondered whether I was being paranoid or what. So I checked the
situation out and everybody who isn't a troll seems to think it is a
very odd coincidence.

I'm no idiot. I know that I'm dealing with trolls with hurt egos who
will stoop to any kind of disinformation and feign moral outrage in some
perverted attempt to take from me what their own stupidity took from
them. As Forrest Gump said: "Stupid is as stupid does", and that
includes pretending to fall off of a vegetable wagon. Have a nice day!


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ralphpnj
2015-06-03 21:47:46 UTC
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There ..... day!
Really what difference does it make? The world of audiophiles is filled
with disinformation and outright nonsense. The USB protocol is filled
with digital nasties and thus presents many opportunities for
enterprising companies and individuals to address these issues. To me
the real issue is why is are USB DACs even used when there are other
ways to transmit digital audio data without all of the baggage that USB
brings. And as I stated in another post USB is just the tip of the
iceberg since the next big thing in audiophilia will be trying to turn
the sow's ear known as bluetooth in a silk purse. However this will only
make the purses of many manufacturers into gold.

Remember that the start of most, if not all, of these audio wild goose
chases can be traced to the various clowns in the high end audio press
since they so willingly repeat rumors and subjective opinions as if they
were scientific facts.



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2015-06-03 22:44:09 UTC
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Post by ralphpnj
Remember that the start of most, if not all, of these audio wild goose
chases can be traced to ...
... the Story of 'Emil Berliner'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emile_Berliner)
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Money makes the World go round-



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2015-06-03 23:22:18 UTC
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Really what difference does it make? The world of audiophiles is filled
with disinformation and outright nonsense. The USB protocol is filled
with digital nasties and thus presents many opportunities for
enterprising companies and individuals to address these issues. To me
the real issue is why is are USB DACs even used when there are other
ways to transmit digital audio data without all of the baggage that USB
brings. And as I stated in another post USB is just the tip of the
iceberg since the next big thing in audiophilia will be trying to turn
the sow's ear known as bluetooth in a silk purse. However this will only
make the purses of many manufacturers into gold.
Remember that the start of most, if not all, of these audio wild goose
chases can be traced to the various clowns in the high end audio press
since they so willingly repeat rumors and subjective opinions as if they
were scientific facts.
I tend to agree with a good part of what you say, Ralph. For good or
bad, I happen to own a server that has only analog and usb output. So,
for me, USB out it is to the dac. Honestly, I think the sound of my
music system is extremely good--at least to my ears---and I've been
super happy with it. I don't share any belief that USB is a data
transmission protocol that is horribly burdened with all manner of
issues that compromise the audio quality. Quite the opposite, in fact.
It sounds damn good!

I also agree with your first question. What, indeed, is the difference?
What is the bfd if I, or anyone else, for that matter want to try a
relatively inexpensive device (which, btw, hasn't, to my knowledge, been
touted by any of your clowns--at least not yet) that purports to make it
sound a little better? I will be the judge of that regardless of what
you, Arny, JohnS, or anybody else attempts to program me to think. I've
seen absolutely nothing from JohnS OR Arny that proves or disproves that
the device in question empirically does or does not deliver a solution
to a problem, or whether the problem does or does not even exist. But,
like Archimago, here, who is at least willing to try some testing on it
(if he can lay hands on one) before he dismisses it out of hand, I'm
willing to spend a bit of my money and have a listen. If it's
inconclusive, I may wait to see if JohnS and/or Archimago do publish
some measurement data that does or doesn't back up the many subjective
claims out there on CA as to whether the gadget actually does something.
Absent that and absent my own (albeit, very individual and subjective)
impression of any distinct change for the better, it gets returned.
Apparently, in the enlightened world of clarity that Arny inhabits, this
causes some monumental affront and automatically earns derision and
affixes me with all manner of, ahem, less than complimentary labels.

In terms of the economic value of my time, I've spent 100X the cost of
the device in question playing around with minute and very subjective
adjustments to my speaker positioning. There are many different "how to
manuals", consultants, and opinions as to how one positions speakers and
the fact that somebody uses one method vs. another and achieves their
version of success/improvement doesn't seem to bother anybody in the
least. I'm sure there are 20 people who would both look and listen and
tell me I've got the positioning wrong based on all manner of both
science and subjectivity and that I am trying to solve problems that
don't exist. But, hey, the process was interesting, and I learned
something. The speakers sound really good to me right where they are
now and I'm quite o.k. with that. Tomorrow, well....that's another
matter, heheh.

Arny's going to do what he does and entertain people until his dying
day....of that I'm quite sure. But I object, out of principle, to
somebody trying to take down a person, company, or product by hiding
behind a construct of rationality and dodging in and out of from behind
that construct to take potshots at anybody and everybody who doesn't
happen to agree with his opinion. And that would be the case for me in
ANY similar situation (audio-related or not) as I've got no skin in with
either Arny nor the Uptone folks. And, for now, opinion is all that
Arny has as, in this case, he has neither proved nor disproved ANYTHING.
He is, in fact and in this case, no different than the device and
organization he's trying to disparage.



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Post by rgro
I tend to agree with a good part of what you say, Ralph. For good or
bad, I happen to own a server that has only analog and usb output. So,
for me, USB out it is to the dac. Honestly, I think the sound of my
music system is extremely good--at least to my ears---and I've been
super happy with it. I don't share any belief that USB is a data
transmission protocol that is horribly burdened with all manner of
issues that compromise the audio quality. Quite the opposite, in fact.
It sounds damn good!
I also agree with your first question. What, indeed, is the difference?
What is the bfd if I, or anyone else, for that matter want to try a
relatively inexpensive device (which, btw, hasn't, to my knowledge, been
touted by any of your clowns--at least not yet) that purports to make it
sound a little better? I will be the judge of that regardless of what
you, Arny, JohnS, or anybody else attempts to program me to think. I've
seen absolutely nothing from JohnS OR Arny that proves or disproves that
the device in question empirically does or does not deliver a solution
to a problem, or whether the problem does or does not even exist. But,
like Archimago, here, who is at least willing to try some testing on it
(if he can lay hands on one) before he dismisses it out of hand, I'm
willing to spend a bit of my money and have a listen. If it's
inconclusive, I may wait to see if JohnS and/or Archimago do publish
some measurement data that does or doesn't back up the many subjective
claims out there on CA as to whether the gadget actually does something.
Absent that and absent my own (albeit, very individual and subjective)
impression of any distinct change for the better, it gets returned.
Apparently, in the enlightened world of clarity that Arny inhabits, this
causes some monumental affront and automatically earns derision and
affixes me with all manner of, ahem, less than complimentary labels.
In terms of the economic value of my time, I've spent 100X the cost of
the device in question playing around with minute and very subjective
adjustments to my speaker positioning. There are many different "how to
manuals", consultants, and opinions as to how one positions speakers and
the fact that somebody uses one method vs. another and achieves their
version of success/improvement doesn't seem to bother anybody in the
least. I'm sure there are 20 people who would both look and listen and
tell me I've got the positioning wrong based on all manner of both
science and subjectivity and that I am trying to solve problems that
don't exist. But, hey, the process was interesting, and I learned
something. The speakers sound really good to me right where they are
now and I'm quite o.k. with that. Tomorrow, well....that's another
matter, heheh.
Arny's going to do what he does and entertain people until his dying
day....of that I'm quite sure. But I object, out of principle, to
somebody trying to take down a person, company, or product by hiding
behind a construct of rationality and dodging in and out of from behind
that construct to take potshots at anybody and everybody who doesn't
happen to agree with his opinion. And that would be the case for me in
ANY similar situation (audio-related or not) as I've got no skin in with
either Arny nor the Uptone folks. And, for now, opinion is all that
Arny has as, in this case, he has neither proved nor disproved ANYTHING.
He is, in fact and in this case, no different than the device and
organization he's trying to disparage.
bravo; and thank you.



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In terms of the economic value of my time, I've spent 100X the cost of
the device in question playing around with minute and very subjective
adjustments to my speaker positioning. There are many different "how to
manuals", consultants, and opinions as to how one positions speakers and
the fact that somebody uses one method vs. another and achieves their
version of success/improvement doesn't seem to bother anybody in the
least. I'm sure there are 20 people who would both look and listen and
tell me I've got the positioning wrong based on all manner of both
science and subjectivity and that I am trying to solve problems that
don't exist. But, hey, the process was interesting, and I learned
something. The speakers sound really good to me right where they are
now and I'm quite o.k. with that. Tomorrow, well....that's another
matter, heheh.
I'll bet money that the above waste of time and money came to be due to
a lack of investment in good test equipment and technology.
Post by rgro
Arny's going to do what he does and entertain people until his dying
day....of that I'm quite sure.
More to the point, a number of people have been or are going to be
educated about how to get great sound with reasonable investments of
time and money.
Post by rgro
But I object, out of principle, to somebody trying to take down a
person, company, or product by hiding behind a construct of rationality
and dodging in and out of from behind that construct to take potshots at
anybody and everybody who doesn't happen to agree with his opinion.
Thanks rgro for coming out against to people such as yourself who defend
themselves against the slings and arrows of rationality by means of
denial, dismissal, and personal attacks.



And that would be the case for me in ANY similar situation
(audio-related or not) as I've got no skin in with either Arny nor the
Uptone folks.


If you wanted to encourage me to harm myself, you could make the ultimate
sacrifice and agree with me in public. ;-)


And, for now, opinion is all that Arny has as, in this case, he has
neither proved nor disproved ANYTHING.


The lie here is that I intended to prove or disprove anything about The
Uptone products. I've repeated only called for rational testing and
evaluation of the product, which true to form its advocates have
apparently avoided to this day.


He is, in fact and in this case, no different than the device and
organization he's trying to disparage.

Thanks rgro for showing your true colors by personally attacking me based
on false claims. You've done more to hurt your own personal credibility
than I could ever do, as if I even wanted to. In fact I'd love to see you
to start acting rationally and limit yourself to discussing the true facts
of the matter.


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2015-06-10 15:19:15 UTC
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Thanks, Arny, for showing your true colors by personally attacking me
based on false claims. You've done more to hurt your own personal
credibility than I could ever do, as if I even wanted to. In fact I'd
love to see you to start acting rationally and limit yourself to
discussing the true facts of the matter which are, quite simply, that
neither you nor I nor Uptone have showed any test results for the device
for either the problem it purports to address nor the solution to that
problem. Period, end of story.

If all you'd done was issue a simple call for rational testing of the
device I would have happily agreed with you and still do. Not that I'd
ever wish someone to harm themselves, but if my agreeing with you has or
had that effect I would have, of course, been deeply saddened.

As far as positioning my speakers, if you call manipulating their
positions with my hands, arms and upper body (which is all I've done) a
waste of time and money due to lack of investment in good test equipment
and technology, I agree again (please put that knife down!). Beyond my
Radio Shack SPL meter, Stereophile test discs, and laser measuring
device (all relatively inexpensive) I don't have the inclination or,
perhaps more importantly, the skills to invest in a bunch of testing
gear, to boot. So, I've done the best I can and self-limited to the
afore-mentioned devices and my ears. Once you're out of the hospital,
I'd like to invite you to demonstrate your awesome skills and come on
out here with all of your good test equipment and technology (I'm
assuming you must have such items), spend a few days, enjoy nice dinners
and a few glasses of good wine, position my speakers perfectly in my
rather awkward-shaped living room and, oh by the way, you have to do
that whilst also 100% satisfying the aesthetic sensibilities (meaning no
acoustic panels or other such ugliness) of my lovely wife---all gratis
of course, since you so very kindly wouldn't want to have me waste more
over-large amounts of time and money. We'll keep that spare bedroom all
ready for your arrival ;>).



Rg

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Home Theatre: Touch (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic
5.1, Touch FW 7.8.0-r16754.

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arnyk
2015-06-11 06:30:55 UTC
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Thanks, Arny, for showing your true colors by personally attacking me
based on false claims. You've done more to hurt your own personal
credibility than I could ever do, as if I even wanted to. In fact I'd
love to see you to start acting rationally and limit yourself to
discussing the true facts of the matter which are, quite simply,
Google says that I made that post on 6/3/2015. They say that mimicry is
the most sincere form of flattery. I'm flattered! ;-)


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rgro
2015-06-11 13:53:42 UTC
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Post by arnyk
Google says that I made that post on 6/3/2015. They say that mimicry is
the most sincere form of flattery. I'm flattered! ;-)
I'm so happy for you. And, to continue along those lines, along with
your other remarkable qualities and exceptional skills, your facility
with Google is beyond amazing.;>)



Rg

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Home Theatre: Touch (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic
5.1, Touch FW 7.8.0-r16754.

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arnyk
2015-06-04 00:18:28 UTC
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Really what difference does it make?
If it doesn't make a difference, then it doesn't make a difference one
way or the other, and you've just wasted everybody's time with many
posts trying to spike an offhand comment.

Obviously something makes a difference to you and the question above is
just another self-aggrandizing strategy.

You should have never risen to my unintentional bait in the first place,
if it really doesn't make difference.


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2015-06-03 13:02:42 UTC
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Post by Mnyb
Anti science folks , US have a lot of homegrown people of that sort . Is
not only 40% of the populace that believes in evolution ? ( in Sweden
it's 80% and that's still embarrasing ) . Sorry to say many anti
science movements starts in the U.S.
Yes, you're right. And sometimes these folks are members of Congress and
serve on important science committees. Very sad.



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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
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2015-06-03 13:07:33 UTC
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Yes, you're right. And sometimes these folks are members of Congress and
serve on important science committees. Very sad.
As far as the members of the US Congress and Senate are concerned it is
not their "religious" beliefs that trouble me since these "beliefs" are
only a pretense. The only god they worship is MONEY and whoever has the
MONEY controls them and the US government.



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sub
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Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1
& Energy sub
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Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar
Garage: SB3-JVC compact system
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