[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Problems with GUI for Linux LMS after latest Windows 10 update

[Golden Earring]

After succumbing to Microsoft's urging to let it update my Windows 10
software yesterday, I find that I am unable to access my LMS
*-settings-* (including rescan) through the GUI linked to the Linux copy
of LMS running on my Synology NAS - the basic settings page displays
without any of the page tabs at the top & moreover it's completely
disabled. The main LMS GUI which enables selection of albums, titles,
search functions & the creation of playlists is still operating for my
existing music database.

I'm somewhat at a loss & -*might*- be incorrect in suspecting the
Windows 10 revisions as the reason for this loss of functionality,
although nothing else has been changed in my system. So I'm wondering if
anyone else has experienced the same issue (& even found a solution to
it already)? Being essentially lazy, I'm using the version 7.6 of LMS
that Synology offer as a direct application download rather than the
more recent versions that I'm aware exist for Linux & which I could be
using instead if I went to the effort of loading one onto my NAS. Would
such a later version of LMS be unaffected by the Windows update &
therefore justify me going to the bother of implementing it?

I do not think that any of the detailed LMS settings have changed
(although I can no longer see them!) because my system is still working.
I could carry out a rescan via my transporter if necessary but obviously
there are settings that cannot be accessed this way.

I shouldn't be surprised if Microsoft were to issue a plethora of
bug-fixes to the update over the next few days: it wouldn't be the 1st
time. So I'm keeping calm & carrying on in the British way, it may yet
"all come out in the wash" as we say...

In the meantime, any observations will be most welcome.

Dave :confused:


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[cliveb]

Before you go doing anything drastic like changing your LMS...

A Win 10 update could easily have amended the Microsoft browser, so the
obvious thing to try first is to install a different browser such as
Firefox or Chrome and see whether the LMS web interace works on that.



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[Golden Earring]

Post by cliveb
Before you go doing anything drastic like changing your LMS...
A Win 10 update could easily have amended the Microsoft browser, so the
obvious thing to try first is to install a different browser such as
Firefox or Chrome and see whether the LMS web interace works on that.

Morning Clive!

Roger that.

Given that we're set for rain on Monday, I'll give it a go then...

Thanks.

Dave :)


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[arnyk]

Post by Golden Earring
After succumbing to Microsoft's urging to let it update my Windows 10
software yesterday, I find that I am unable to access my LMS
*-settings-* (including rescan) through the GUI linked to the Linux copy
of LMS running on my Synology NAS - the basic settings page displays
without any of the page tabs at the top & moreover it's completely
disabled. The main LMS GUI which enables selection of albums, titles,
search functions & the creation of playlists is still operating for my
existing music database.
I'm somewhat at a loss & -*might*- be incorrect in suspecting the
Windows 10 revisions as the reason for this loss of functionality,
although nothing else has been changed in my system. So I'm wondering if
anyone else has experienced the same issue (& even found a solution to
it already)? Being essentially lazy, I'm using the version 7.7.6-113 of
LMS that Synology offer as a direct application download rather than the
more recent versions that I'm aware exist for Linux & which I could be
using instead if I went to the effort of loading one onto my NAS. Would
such a later version of LMS be unaffected by the Windows update &
therefore justify me going to the bother of implementing it?
I do not think that any of the detailed LMS settings have changed
(although I can no longer see them!) because my system is still working.
I could carry out a rescan via my transporter if necessary but obviously
there are settings that cannot be accessed this way.
I shouldn't be surprised if Microsoft were to issue a plethora of
bug-fixes to the update over the next few days: it wouldn't be the 1st
time. So I'm keeping calm & carrying on in the British way, it may yet
"all come out in the wash" as we say...
In the meantime, any observations will be most welcome.

If a system update breaks something, the usual first attempt at fixing
it involves uninstalling it, rebooting, and reinstalling it.


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[Golden Earring]

Post by arnyk
If a system update breaks something, the usual first attempt at fixing
it involves uninstalling it, rebooting, and reinstalling it.

Morning Arny!

Do you use Windows 10 yourself?

This was a big update that in itself involved several system restarts -
I suspect that if I uninstalled, rebooted & re-installed I'd just end up
in the same boat...

Dave :)


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[arnyk]

Post by Golden Earring
Morning Arny!
Do you use Windows 10 yourself?

I have two machines that run 10, and others that run 7 and XP. Then
there are the client machines that I repair... I've built over 2,000 new
machines in my life.

Post by Golden Earring
This was a big update that in itself involved several system restarts -
I suspect that if I uninstalled, rebooted & re-installed I'd just end up
in the same boat...

Don't bet on it.

I was specifically thinking of doing the uninstall/reinstall cycle for
the LMS software, but I've improved systems by backing out an OS update
or even an upgrade, and just running it through the process again. This
is not necessarily the stupidity of doing the identical same thing and
expecting a different result, as it is rare for an install/uninstall or
uninstall/reinstall cycle to have the same identical results the first
or second time. After the first two cycles, the results will converge to
the same thing so if you still have the problem after that, move on to
another solution.


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Post by arnyk
Don't bet on it.
I was specifically thinking of doing the uninstall/reinstall cycle for
the LMS software, but I've improved systems by backing out an OS update
or even an upgrade, and just running it through the process again. This
is not necessarily the stupidity of doing the identical same thing and
expecting a different result, as it is rare for an install/uninstall or
uninstall/reinstall cycle to have the same identical results the first
or second time. After the first two cycles, the results will converge to
the same thing so if you still have the problem after that, move on to
another solution.

Hi Arny!

I've got your drift - this looks like another rainy Monday exercise.
I'll try it before switching browsers as per Clive's suggestion.

I presume it's worth trying the LMS uninstall/reinstall first before the
Windows 10 update uninstall/reinstall, even though it will obviously
involve a full re-index of my 6,500+ albums? That takes me about 3 hours
under LMS version 7.7.6 running on a 256GB SSD drive in my NAS - the
music files are on 3 x 4TB Western Digital Red HD's running in RAID 0
for maximum read performance although you still have latency with
non-SSD drives (don't worry, I have separate multiple backups of the
music on USB Seagate 4TB HD's, although these take 24 hours to re-load,
so fingers crossed on the RAID 0 array not falling over!). I'm sure that
the indexing would be quicker if I installed Michael's latest LMS
version but since I usually sleep more than 3 hours it's not really a
bottleneck normally. I have some soldering to get on with anyway!

Thanks for your insight.

Dave :)


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[cliveb]

Post by Golden Earring
I've got your drift - this looks like another rainy Monday exercise.
I'll try it before switching browsers as per Clive's suggestion.

With respect, this doesn't make sense.

1. You've changed nothing in LMS, and hence its web server will be
delivering the same HTML to the client.
2. You've updated your client PC, which almost certainly included a
change to the client browser (assuming you're using the Microsoft
browser).
3. The logical conclusion is that it's the browser update that is
responsible for the change in behaviour, and trying a different browser
is the simplest way to confirm this.

Uninstalling and reinstalling LMS on a NAS is going to be a heck of a
lot more work than just trying a different browser, especially since
logic suggests that there's unlikely to be anything wrong with LMS.

I strongly urge you to try the alternative browser option first.



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[Golden Earring]

Post by cliveb
With respect, this doesn't make sense.
1. You've changed nothing in LMS, and hence its web server will be
delivering the same HTML to the client.
2. You've updated your client PC, which almost certainly included a
change to the client browser (assuming you're using the Microsoft
browser).
3. The logical conclusion is that it's the browser update that is
responsible for the change in behaviour, and trying a different browser
is the simplest way to confirm this.
Uninstalling and reinstalling LMS on a NAS is going to be a heck of a
lot more work than just trying a different browser, especially since
logic suggests that there's unlikely to be anything wrong with LMS.
I strongly urge you to try the alternative browser option first.

Hi Clive!

While I've been grovelling about under the back of my aging sports car
applying rust converter, which is a satisfying if slightly messy task
but certainly one that doesn't require much in the way of cerebral
input, I've been coming to the same conclusion as you: after all,
Windows is just looking through a port at my Linux server, and moreover
the main GUI page *-is-* working without any apparent problems, but when
the secondary settings page is summoned it is not loading correctly.

This is the reason why at age 62 I do not dive into trying to solve a
problem before I think I've got at least some idea what the problem
actually is - hence my earlier declared intention to defer trying to
solve it until Monday.

My only concern about your suggestion is that at no stage during the
update was I asked to consent to a browser change & moreover my
real-time anti-malware software is under orders to block such a change &
alert me. So actually I'm still thinking about it...

Perhaps Microsoft will issue some more mini-updates in the next 48 hours
& the problem will solve itself although I'm not holding my breath :D .

Dave :confused:


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[rgro]

Post by Golden Earring
After succumbing to Microsoft's urging to let it update my Windows 10
software yesterday, I find that I am unable to access my LMS
*-settings-* (including rescan) through the GUI linked to the Linux copy
of LMS running on my Synology NAS - the basic settings page displays
without any of the page tabs at the top & moreover it's completely
disabled. The main LMS GUI which enables selection of albums, titles,
search functions & the creation of playlists is still operating for my
existing music database.
I'm somewhat at a loss & -*might*- be incorrect in suspecting the
Windows 10 revisions as the reason for this loss of functionality,
although nothing else has been changed in my system. So I'm wondering if
anyone else has experienced the same issue (& even found a solution to
it already)? Being essentially lazy, I'm using the version 7.7.6-113 of
LMS that Synology offer as a direct application download rather than the
more recent versions that I'm aware exist for Linux & which I could be
using instead if I went to the effort of loading one onto my NAS. Would
such a later version of LMS be unaffected by the Windows update &
therefore justify me going to the bother of implementing it?
I do not think that any of the detailed LMS settings have changed
(although I can no longer see them!) because my system is still working.
I could carry out a rescan via my transporter if necessary but obviously
there are settings that cannot be accessed this way.
I shouldn't be surprised if Microsoft were to issue a plethora of
bug-fixes to the update over the next few days: it wouldn't be the 1st
time. So I'm keeping calm & carrying on in the British way, it may yet
"all come out in the wash" as we say...
In the meantime, any observations will be most welcome.

G.E.....the "quick and dirty" workaround is to mouse over to the
"settings and more" function of the Win10/Edge browser (the three little
dots in the upper right corner) and use the "open with internet
explorer" function. Once the page is opened with that older browser,
then everything on the LMS pages will work fine. The permanent solution
is to upgrade your LMS to 7.9.1 in which, according to Michael H., the
problem with Edge/Win10 browser functionality with LMS has been solved.

Cheers,

rgro



Rg

System information
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Signature amp > Revel Performa F208 speakers.

Home Theatre: Touch (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic
5.1, Touch FW 7.8.0-r16754.

LMS 7.9.0 - 0.71.20150313git1426153261 on a 1TB Micro Vortexbox
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[Golden Earring]

Post by rgro
G.E.....the "quick and dirty" workaround is to mouse over to the
"settings and more" function of the Win10/Edge browser (the three little
dots in the upper right corner) and use the "open with internet
explorer" function. Once the page is opened with that older browser,
then everything on the LMS pages will work fine. The permanent solution
is to upgrade your LMS to 7.9.1 in which, according to Michael H., the
problem with Edge/Win10 browser functionality with LMS has been solved.
Cheers,
rgro

Morning rgro!

Just picked up your reply, pleased to report it worked a treat in 10
seconds.

Can't really to bothered to go any further for the time being, after all
one doesn't need to get to the innards of LMS that often, it's just
reassuring to know that you can easily should the need arise.

I like "fixes" that don't change anything else, there is less scope for
knock-on issues arising...

+1 from me, thanks very much!

Dave :)


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[drmatt]

I would second the browser comments, and start there rather than
anything drastic like rollbacks or reinstalls. Also more likely a
Windows firewall or anti virus policy change could break it. (This is
very common.)

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