[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For Sale: Transport fully modded Modwright Platinum Signature

[scp2]

Asking $1300

I feel the value of this unit far excedes $1300 but as always market
conditions prevail. I will entertain all offers. If someone has been on
the fence on one of these fine units...this one comes with a nice
collection of tubes.

This is the latest edition ModWright Transporter with full Signature
Platinum Truth upgrades in perfect operational and cosmetic condition.
I’m the original owner purchased directly from ModWright. I have
original packaging as I received form Modwright. I have original TP
manual as well as the manual I got from MW. It has been lightly used in
a dedicated music room in a clean and non smoking home.

The ModWright version is a substantial upgrade adding an oversized
toroidal transformer and a complete re-design of the analog stage using
two output tubes. The tube output stage features an internal, tube
rectified power supply based on the technology from ModWright
preamplifiers. RCA and balanced outputs are now sourced from the new
analog stage. The balanced outputs utilize custom wound output
transformers from Electroprint. The RCA output connectors are upgraded
from stock. The output stage produces output levels sufficient to drive
most amplifiers directly without a preamp.

Audiogon add
https://app.audiogon.com/listings/transports-logitech-modwright-transporter-platinum-signature-truth-with-extras-2016-01-01-digital-66216-shawnee-ks

I will sell direct with the right buyer


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[Julf]

The tube output stage features an internal, tube rectified power supply
based on the technology from ModWright preamplifiers.

Just out of curiosity, what benefit is there from using tube rectifiers?



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[scp2]

It provides a fuller richer sound. Less fatigue...more like an analog
signal(LP). It doesn't color the sound....seems more lifelike.

Here is an article about the upgrade.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/modwright3/transporter.html


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[Julf]

Post by scp2
It provides a fuller richer sound. Less fatigue...more like an analog
signal(LP). It doesn't color the sound....seems more lifelike.

And what actual physical property of the valve rectifier would cause
those effects, and how?



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Boy, you just gotta love the thread crapping.

Unbelievable.


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[SuperQ]

Post by Julf
And what actual physical property of the valve rectifier would cause
those effects, and how?

Here's a couple of interesting articles about tube rectifiers as used in
audio circuits:

http://www.soldano.com/amp-help/tube-vs-solid-state-rectifiers/

http://www.guitarplayer.com/amplifiers/1017/whats-the-big-deal-about-tube-rectifiers/23811

Basically, tubes completely suck at being good rectifiers. They cause
voltage and current sags. This might be a good thing for a guitar amp,
but for a line source it's going to make things sound like shit.

But, given the good PSU design of the Transporter, I'm guessing there's
enough capacitor to deal with the sags and you won't hear any difference
at all. All you're left with is the warmth and glowing of the placebo
effect.


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[Julf]

Post by SuperQ
Basically, tubes completely suck at being good rectifiers.

Indeed. There is a reason that rectifiers were the first tubes to be
replaced (even in tube amps) as soon as semiconductor rectifiers became
available.

Post by SuperQ
But, given the good PSU design of the Transporter, I'm guessing there's
enough capacitor to deal with the sags and you won't hear any difference
at all. All you're left with is the warmth and glowing of the placebo
effect.

I agree - that is why I asked what any possible benefits could be based
on. I guess placebo is the only real answer.



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[arnyk]

Post by Julf
Indeed. There is a reason that rectifiers were the first tubes to be
replaced (even in tube amps) as soon as semiconductor rectifiers became
available.

Having been on the scene in that day, the most probable reason was
availability and cost. Appropriate low cost semiconductor rectifiers
predated the more complex appropriate transistors by quite a few years.

Tube rectifiers were supplanted in two steps - first by the fairly
limited selenium rectifiers, and then by more capable silicon diodes.

Post by Julf
I agree - that is why I asked what any possible benefits could be based
on. I guess placebo is the only real answer.

Agreed. This alleged mod looks a lot like the usual knee-jerk
simplistic under-engineered golden ear mod.


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[darrenyeats]

Even if you think you're providing a public service, it's very rude to
pee on someone's for-sale thread.

I can't think of a more apt place than the Logitech Audiophiles forum to
place such an ad, and unless you can, then give it a break.



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[MichaelJ]

Post by darrenyeats
Even if you think you're providing a public service, it's very rude to
pee on someone's for-sale thread.

I prefer to think of it as a preemptive caveat emptor.;)


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[JJZolx]

Thread crapping at its finest.


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[Julf]

Post by JJZolx
Thread crapping at its finest.

"Thread crapping" seems to be a favourite term among a certain crowd
that don't like their faith to be questioned - a mild form of "if you
run out of reasonable arguments, at least try to discredit your opponent
somehow".



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Post by Julf
"Thread crapping" seems to be a favourite term among a certain crowd
that don't like their faith to be questioned - a mild form of "if you
run out of reasonable arguments, at least try to discredit your opponent
somehow".

This wasn't an audio discussion, you moron -- it was a "For Sale".

"Thread crapping" is one of the kinder things I could call it.


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[StephenPG]

Post by JJZolx
This wasn't an audio discussion, you moron -- it was a "For Sale".
"Thread crapping" is one of the kinder things I could call it.

So come up with some reasonable arguments instead of all the name
calling?


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Post by StephenPG
So come up with some reasonable arguments instead of all the name
calling?

What the fuck is wrong you you people??


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Post by JJZolx
What the fuck is wrong you you people??

Ah, insults and profanity. Interesting side step.



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Note that no discussion has taken place, despite the trolling from the
usual idiots.


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[Julf]

Post by JJZolx
Note that no discussion has taken place, despite the trolling from the
usual idiots.

We do have to thank you for your meaningful contributions and insights.



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Post by JJZolx
What the fuck is wrong you you people??

Hope this helps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument


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[ralphpnj]

While I am complete agreement about there being no need to add tubes to
the Transporter, I nonetheless respect the OP's right to post the For
Sale ad here in the Audiophile section. There is no need to call out how
adding tubes does not improve the sound, that's between the buyer and
seller and if one is not going to buy the unit then just walk away
quietly.

The questions a perspective buyer should be asking are those pertaining
to wear and tear, shipping methods and cost, etc. Whatever one feels
about use of tubes should not be part of this discussion.

I look at this types of discussions as very similar to discussions about
music. I like free jazz and dislike heavy metal rock and since I hate it
when someone leave a post on thread about free jazz saying "This music
sounds like crap", I refrain from post the same on a thread heavy metal
rock.

I realize that this may sound strange coming from me, the number one
abuser of all those high end audio gurus who write and edit the gloss
audio magazines, but every private individual is entitled to their
beliefs, no matter how mistaken one may feel they are, whereas on the
other hand the self appointed audio gurus who spread FUD for the sake of
money are fair game.



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[netchord]

funny, i came here wondering whether it was still for sale. if so, i'm
definitely interested. i have two "standard" transporters, and have
recently purchased a tube integrated (that has a lovely 274B
rectifier).

in any case, if you're still here, and it's still available, send me a
note.



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[Fizbin]

It was listed almost two years ago, so I'm sure it's long gone.


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Post by JJZolx
This wasn't an audio discussion, you moron -- it was a "For Sale".

Stage 2 of "Audiophile debating 101": "If opponent makes you look
stupid, resort to ad hominem and call him/her names".

Looking forward to Stage 3, "call to ban trolls".



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Post by JJZolx
Thread crapping at its finest.

Matched the quality of the alleged mods, which basically amount to be
crapping on the gear.


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[Mnyb]

As this is a sales tread .

Is the original components retained so that the player can be restored
to it's original configuration . that would actually increase
prospective customers ?

Tubes is not automatically considered "best" even among card carrying
audiophiles .

Many would actually considered the product "broken" if its to modified .
I had a similar problem selling a modified DAC 15 years ago, many second
hand byers simply wanted it in it's original form (in hindsight it was
not the best idea to modify it ) .

The transporter is still a classic . it would still be a collectible if
it where original .

I have no use for it in any of my current setups (in the main hifi i use
digital in/out and in secondary locations its to big )



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[Julf]

Post by darrenyeats
I can't think of a more apt place than the Logitech Audiophiles forum to
place such an ad, and unless you can, then how about move the discussion
to another thread.

I agree it is a very apt place for such an ad, but if I placed an ad
here for some gear I was selling, I would also expect a discussion on
the properties, good or bad, of said equipment.



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