Some publications at least make an effort to keep a semblance of honest ; -)

[bakker_be]

A maybe oversimplified, but at least halfway decent write-up
http://www.whathifi.com/blog/high-res-audio-the-science-behind-the-numbers



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[Julf]

Post by bakker_be
A maybe oversimplified, but at least halfway decent write-up

"Whether that’s due to the increased bit depth, higher sampling rate or
some outside factor such as the care taken in the mastering I’m not
sure. It’ll be fun trying to find out though."

So why didn't they?



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[cliveb]

Post by bakker_be
A maybe oversimplified, but at least halfway decent write-up
http://www.whathifi.com/blog/high-res-audio-the-science-behind-the-numbers

IMHO he's regurgitated a number of dogmas loosely based on a distorted
understanding of the facts.

And at the end he says he doesn't know why hi-res sounds better than CD,
when he has a trivial method of finding out. All he needs to do is take
one of his beloved hi-res files, whack it through a decent sample rate
converter (eg. SOX) to convert it to 16/44.1, and then ABX the two.
He'll find that he will be unable to tell the difference (at normal - or
indeed anything less than insane - listening levels).

In a sense, this kind of audio journalism is more dangerous than the
sort written by the outright loonies, because it seems reasonable to the
rational but uninformed reader.



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[bakker_be]

Post by cliveb
IMHO he's regurgitated a number of dogmas loosely based on a distorted
understanding of the facts.
And at the end he says he doesn't know why hi-res sounds better than CD,
when he has a trivial method of finding out. All he needs to do is take
one of his beloved hi-res files, whack it through a decent sample rate
converter (eg. SOX) to convert it to 16/44.1, and then ABX the two.
He'll find that he will be unable to tell the difference (at normal - or
indeed anything less than insane - listening levels).
In a sense, this kind of audio journalism is more dangerous than the
sort written by the outright loonies, because it seems reasonable to the
rational but uninformed reader.

I hadn't looked at it that way, but I guess you could be right ...



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[Archimago]

Post by cliveb
IMHO he's regurgitated a number of dogmas loosely based on a distorted
understanding of the facts.
And at the end he says he doesn't know why hi-res sounds better than CD,
when he has a trivial method of finding out. All he needs to do is take
one of his beloved hi-res files, whack it through a decent sample rate
converter (eg. SOX) to convert it to 16/44.1, and then ABX the two.
He'll find that he will be unable to tell the difference (at normal - or
indeed anything less than insane - listening levels).
In a sense, this kind of audio journalism is more dangerous than the
sort written by the outright loonies, because it seems reasonable to the
rational but uninformed reader.

But, but, but... Neil Young said 24/192 was needed to "liberate" the
music... And that we were going to be, like, hearing the music for the
first time!



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[MichaelJ]

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But, but, but... Neil Young said 24/192 was needed to "liberate" the
music... And that we were going to be, like, hearing the music for the
first time!

And we know that, as a 68 yr old rock musician who's been performing
live for over 45 years, his hearing acuity can only have improved.


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[Mnyb]

I do recomend trying the resample experiment for yourself its very
revealing :)

Another reason for this effect ( that only compounds it ) is that very
few recordings if any has intrisinic sq that even reaches 16/44.1 level
.

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[pablolie]

.. very few recordings if any has intrisinic sq that even reaches
16/44.1 level .

i agree. i have CDs i FLAC'd to 44/16. i got curious when some of my
worshipped reordings became available at 96/20 or more on hdtracks. i
can spend $20 on the experiment. i could not hear any difference, the
music wasn't more enjoyable.

and for many albums i can't hear the difference between 44/16 FLAC and a
256k MP3 VBR, but hey, i'd rather have the FLAC for sheer completeness.
Not for sound quality.



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[HeadBanger]

I have to agree with the 16/44 vs 24/96 (and beyond) sounding the same.
I've resampled hi-res using SoX on Foobar2000 to 16/44 and also cannot
hear the difference. I've had this debate (argument?) with folks over at
AVForums who insist that redbook 16/44 is lo-fi rubbish with terrible
audio artifacts introduced by the brick wall filter applied at >20KHz.
What I can't get them to understand that all this digital noise exists
at least -96dB or beyond with dither. To hear this you'd have to be
playing at a room level of around 120dB to be above the ambient room
level - crazy. Then they argue that you cut off above 20Khz but I can't
hear above 17KHz and I don't know of many people that can but apparently
they can hear that something is missing!

The best DACs and/or amplifiers may acheive a s/n approaching 110dB -
way short of the 144dB offered by 24bit recordings but again you'd have
to be playing at rock stadium levels to notice the increased s/n. If you
did you'd soon be deaf anyway!

IMO 16/44 are as good as we'll ever need. The founders of CD back in the
80's got the specs just about right IMO - quite an achievemnt at the
time. I do buy hi-res but only if I'm absolutely sure that it is of
better quality - not because of the extra bits and samples.

My two pennies worth!



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Hey it wasn't that bad - at least he didn't mention DSD - the latest
audiophile craze.



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