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Need advice: Good FREE 24-bit music recording?
Archimago
2014-03-22 19:31:55 UTC
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Hi guys.

Read something funny on TAS yesterday. So wanted to try another test...

Can anyone recommend a FREE, well recorded piece of music which *should*
demonstrate the superiority of 24-bit audio that I can chop up /
manipulate / post for a future on-line audio test?

Just don't want to run into any copyright issues... :-)



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marflao
2014-03-22 19:37:36 UTC
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Can't you use one of the free 24bit downloads at the 2L webpage? Or
won't that work for your "project"? ;-)
Btw.. many thanks for your splendid tests. I really enjoy them every
time.
Looking forward to the next one.




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Archimago
2014-03-22 19:56:18 UTC
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Post by marflao
Can't you use one of the free 24bit downloads at the 2L webpage? Or
won't that work for your "project"? ;-)
Btw.. many thanks for your splendid tests. I really enjoy them every
time.
Looking forward to the next one.
Yeah... They're freely available but I doubt they'd be cool with me
cutting them up, manipulating a bit, and posting them as test samples
for people to download... I'm thinking of another "blind test" :-).



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marflao
2014-03-22 20:06:57 UTC
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Hmm... understood... But then I guess the other usual suspects as Linn
for instance won't be suited either.
Sorry...




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Mnyb
2014-03-23 01:13:35 UTC
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Itrax ( AIX records ) ? Write what you plan to do with the track , the
guy running AIX is a reasonable person .
He shares many of our objective views on hifi , maybe he can be
persuaded to lend out a track ?

I think the manipulating and redistribution is the no no part even if it
is "free" copyright works this way that's one of the points with it ?

This could be a good challenge :) suppose you plan to distrubute the
files as 24/96 or 24/192 ( or DSD ) regardless of thier real content ?
That's good for many reasons , one more unorthodox one is that some gear
tend to perform differently with different formats ?
Different digital,fillters will be used etc DSD decoding may sound
different ?

Suppose some of the NOS DAC users will find 24/192 much better ;)



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Mnyb
2014-03-23 01:25:59 UTC
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Mark Waldrep is his name .

Free files http://itrax.com/Pages/ArticleDetails.php?aID=44

You probably have to ask if he would be cool with you resampling and
redistribute .

What can be sure of with AIX records is that the music is recorded in
hirez at the source ie AD conversion and all editing is done in the
highest resolution , some other offerings can have limitations in the
chain somewhere analog for example .



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Archimago
2014-03-23 06:38:23 UTC
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Post by Mnyb
Mark Waldrep is his name .
Free files http://itrax.com/Pages/ArticleDetails.php?aID=44
You probably have to ask if he would be cool with you resampling and
redistribute .
What can be sure of with AIX records is that the music is recorded in
hirez at the source ie AD conversion and all editing is done in the
highest resolution , some other offerings can have limitations in the
chain somewhere analog for example .
Edit : or some flavour of DSD can be a limitation , the SACD is at best
20 bits ( worse in higher frequency ) but some of the never DSD formats
can exceed that and performs better .
Thanks for reminding me about iTrax and Mark Waldrep. Might give it a go
later after vacation with the family.

I checked out Mark's Real-HD blog - lots of commentary on the last
couple weeks of Pono coverage!
http://www.realhd-audio.com/?cat=45



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Julf
2014-03-23 08:47:09 UTC
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Mark Waldrep seems like a good, clued-up guy. I did get a 1-minute
sample from Robert von Bahr of BIS for a test a couple of years ago, but
it was only vocal music with almost no energy above 15 kHz, so not the
best test sample, and after the attempt at an objective test caused a
huge amount of negative reactions on CA, I am not sure he would like to
do it again (he was pretty much driven away from CA himself too).

How about asking on one of the recording forums?



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bz31
2014-03-23 08:50:18 UTC
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http://www.opengoldbergvariations.org/


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Archimago
2014-03-26 02:03:42 UTC
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Post by bz31
http://www.opengoldbergvariations.org/
Thanks for the input guys!

Thanks bz31 for the Goldberg Variation suggestion... This looks and
sounds very good. Furthermore, being public domain with good background
on the provenance of the recording, I think this one would be a
fantastic test case.

Do you guys agree that a good acoustic piano recording which is
available as 24/96 would be a good one to unleash to the public for a
test of 16 vs. 24-bits.

Note that I will upconvert the 16-bit version back to 24-bits for the
test plus maybe a few tweaks to help disguise the files from simple
16-bit detector programs :-).

Could be fun!



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Julf
2014-03-26 10:11:46 UTC
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Post by Archimago
Note that I will upconvert the 16-bit version back to 24-bits for the
test plus maybe a few tweaks to help disguise the files from simple
16-bit detector programs :-).
Proper dithering should do it.



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Archimago
2014-03-26 15:24:45 UTC
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Proper dithering should do it.
Absolutely - will use iZotope RX 3 MBIT+.



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Peiter
2014-03-26 16:19:06 UTC
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I know music is a matter of personal taste, but man ... Goldberg
Variations BWV 988 is borring.


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JonWill
2014-03-26 16:45:32 UTC
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This thread made me download the Open Goldberg Variations ... is there
any reason why LMS will not scan the Flac 24b / 96K version? It's not
showing as new music at all... (and I'm sure I have other music at that
bitrate)

Thanks!

Jon



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Mnyb
2014-03-26 19:40:23 UTC
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Post by JonWill
This thread made me download the Open Goldberg Variations ... is there
any reason why LMS will not scan the Flac 24b / 96K version? It's not
showing as new music at all... (and I'm sure I have other music at that
bitrate)
Thanks!
Jon
Did you tag the files , I downloaded this along while ago and modified
the tags , but I did not remember off there where any tags in them .
But in many cases they can be way back in new music look at the changed
date of the file " new music " actually just reflects modification date
of the file not when you scanned them .

They show fine for me .

is a really a single instrument track sufficient ?



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JonWill
2014-03-26 20:26:47 UTC
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Post by Mnyb
Did you tag the files , I downloaded this along while ago and modified
the tags , but I did not remember off there where any tags in them .
But in many cases they can be way back in new music look at the changed
date of the file " new music " actually just reflects modification date
of the file not when you scanned them
Found them... Not in new music, and I had checked but not modified the
tags. I always assumed that "new music" was based on the file date
rather than the tags... Learn something new every day!

Thanks,

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Archimago
2014-03-27 02:53:03 UTC
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Post by Peiter
I know music is a matter of personal taste, but man ... Goldberg
Variations BWV 988 is borring.
:-)

Boring or not, I just want audiophiles to test if they can really tell
the difference between 24-bit and 16-bit. (As many claim they can!)



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Mnyb
2014-03-27 04:58:37 UTC
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:-)
Boring or not, I just want audiophiles to test if they can really tell
the difference between 24-bit and 16-bit. (As many claim they can!)
Well should not audiophiles be used to boring :) see all this audiophile
music .....

just this track or do you plan to have more tracks ? ( with more
instruments ) .

. the 16bit version , is the algorithm you use transparent ? So that you
don't get false positives.

A popular sub genre is server upsampling with "weird" fillter settings
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Archimago
2014-03-27 07:28:34 UTC
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Well should not audiophiles be used to boring :) see all this audiophile
music .....
just this track or do you plan to have more tracks ? ( with more
instruments ) .
. the 16bit version , is the algorithm you use transparent ? So that you
don't get false positives.
A popular sub genre is server upsampling with "weird" fillter settings
and claims that the sound is improved
I'd love to add another track with some more instruments - an orchestral
piece would be lovely... Again, I prefer something "free". I'll see
about contacting Mark W. about something from AIX. Ideally music similar
to that Open Goldberg would be amazing as a piece of music that's easily
available and (hopefully) recognizable as something accepted as
high-resolution in origin.

The dithering algorithm will be MBIT+ from iZotope RX 3. I find it
transparent. It's proprietary, noise shaped and I've heard many pros
preferring it to the usual TPDF... Although I suspect TPDF would be
fine!



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Mnyb
2014-03-27 07:54:15 UTC
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Post by Archimago
I'd love to add another track with some more instruments - an orchestral
piece would be lovely... Again, I prefer something "free". I'll see
about contacting Mark W. about something from AIX. Ideally music similar
to that Open Goldberg would be amazing as a piece of music that's easily
available and (hopefully) recognizable as something accepted as
high-resolution in origin.
The dithering algorithm will be MBIT+ from iZotope RX 3. I find it
transparent. It's proprietary, noise shaped and I've heard many pros
preferring it to the usual TPDF... Although I suspect TPDF would be
fine!
good to hear i have many AIX dvda and they do sound spectacular , but
mostly i cherish them for the 5.1 mixes . the real improvemnt with
dvda/sacd is actually good 5.1 mixes ! But it would require some force
to get the audiphiles to see that ? would it not . and how will they
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Archimago
2014-03-29 00:28:38 UTC
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I hated every multi-channel experience I've had so far. But that's just
my opinion.
Having had some surprisingly immersive 2 channel experiences, it seems
multi-channel is the wrong solution to a problem of flat-sounding 2
channel systems.
As with everything, "YMMV" applies.

Although a fantastic stereo recording with an excellent system could
portray a great surround "image", it's certainly not the same experience
for me compared to discrete surround. With the latitude for more precise
imaging and freedom from being at the sweet spot (and able to move/turn
one's head without the 3D imaging collapsing!), I'd say it's a
"solution" that outstrips the capabilities of 2-channel sound. Maybe not
ideal, but the best one we have currently...

As a practical observation, during demos for friends/family, I don't
believe anyone has requested to go back to 2-channel stereo after
hearing a good multichannel mix over the years. And of course, there are
many multichannel mixes I detest and would prefer the stereo mix (eg.
Neil Young's "Harvest").



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mlsstl
2014-03-29 00:52:58 UTC
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My two cents is that multichannel sound suffers from the same problem
that plagues the CD vs high-res debate. That is the fact that many
recordings don't even come close to taking full advantage of the formats
that are already widely available. Audiophiles often see 24/96 or 24/192
as some magic fix for CD sound when the real problem is poor recording,
bad mixing and an infatuation with the loudness wars contest.

I'm of the opinion that the real difference between CD and high-res is
very subtle and most of what people hear is due to the greater
production care currently given to high-res since its intended market is
ostensibly pickier. If high-res became the norm, it would inevitably
suffer from the same trendy garbage that plagues CD.

I believe the same will be true if multichannel becomes the defacto
standard. The urge to use trendy effects will be irresistible. The
capability for improved realism will be considered far too boring for
many recordings and we'll be back to where were are with CDs today and
LPs in the past -- a small percentage of absolutely magical recordings,
a somewhat larger number of horrid recordings, and a whole bunch of
mediocrity.


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I believe the same will be true if multichannel becomes the defacto
standard. The urge to use trendy effects will be irresistible. The
capability for improved realism will be considered far too boring for
many recordings and we'll be back to where were are with CDs today and
LPs in the past -- a small percentage of absolutely magical recordings,
a somewhat larger number of horrid recordings, and a whole bunch of
mediocrity.
Nicely put!

Of course, I doubt many of us believes multichannel will ever become a
standard for music releases... I don't mind the funky surround effects
if it fits the music (eg. electronica, pop) but that would be awful in
acoustic music meant to be natural.



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2014-03-29 13:52:03 UTC
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(and able to move/turn one's head without the 3D imaging collapsing!),
Again, I have experienced this not being the case with 2 channel.

My own system images fairly well, not the best I've heard but okay - and
I have four seats across, there is a middle-left and middle-right but no
centre seat. One of the characteristics of good imaging is the ability
to maintain it off centre.

However, in any system/room a short period is usually required for the
sound stage to form optimally. Probably to do with the brain adjusting.



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2014-03-29 00:47:07 UTC
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good to hear i have many AIX dvda and they do sound spectacular , but
mostly i cherish them for the 5.1 mixes . the real improvemnt with
dvda/sacd is actually good 5.1 mixes ! But it would require some force
to get the audiphiles to see that ? would it not . and how will they
afford 6 tube monoblocks :)
I have been checking out the AIX site. How are you playing the 5.1's?
Downloading and burning to DVD?


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I have been checking out the AIX site. How are you playing the 5.1's?
Downloading and burning to DVD?
5 options I see:
1. Author to DVD - but you would need to convert the surround sound to
Dolby Digital or DTS. This would be lossy and lose the high resolution
benefits.

2. Author to DVD-A - will handle native 5.1 24/96 with lossless MLP
(Meridian Lossless Packing) compression.

3. Author to Blu-Ray - like #2 above but will handle multichannel
24/192+... Could get expensive depending on media costs!

4. Play off your computer's surround analogue outputs to surround
receiver/preamp - sound quality compromised with most motherboard sound
but one could buy a better sound card.

5. (Best solution) Play off computer HDMI output to a surround
decoder/receiver. This is what I do. foobar and JRiver recognizes my
Onkyo receiver over the HDMI cable and will play the multichannel audio
natively.

I haven't bothered to author DVD or DVD-A for years. Blu-Ray burning
would be a waste since even a single layer disk can store 25GB; too much
for just audio unless you have something like 10 surround albums you
want on 1 disk.

The only thing I have not tried is playing multichannel DSD through my
receiver which I think is not a good solution since almost all audio
processing like bass management happens in PCM so a conversion step from
DSD -> PCM is almost assured.



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2014-03-29 06:37:37 UTC
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I have been checking out the AIX site. How are you playing the 5.1's?
Downloading and burning to DVD?
Old school I have the DVDA discs of most of it :)

You can author and burn discs as Archimago suggested .

I suppose a HTPC could do it over hdmi .

There is actually no streamer capable of doing this at the moment ?

It would be *very* interesting if a kind soul could add 5.1 flac
capacity to LMS and squeezelite ?
And point at suitable hardware this could be very fun indeed .

So IMHO,the one defining factor is missing from the world of streaming
audio .

But on topic any more tracks added to the test suit ?



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2014-03-29 13:34:48 UTC
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There is actually no streamer capable of doing this at the moment ?
I have a Panasonic DMP-BDT230 Blu-Ray player and use Asset UPnP (from
the dbPoweramp folks) to stream any FLACs to my Denon receiver over
HDMI. Since it's HDMI it should work with any receiver.

The DBT230 is about $130 retail and is a very good BD player. It can
play back any FLACs including multi-channel. The only issue is that it
doesn't playback gapless, so when playing Dark Side of the Moon or live
recordings there is a short gap between tracks (well under a second, but
still very noticeable). I wish they would fix that.

As for compatibility, it plays every FLAC I have tried and that includes
stereo and multi-channel, 16 and 24-bit, and 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96 and 192
kHz.

Mike


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2014-03-29 14:54:38 UTC
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Post by Mike Sargent
I have a Panasonic DMP-BDT230 Blu-Ray player and use Asset UPnP (from
the dbPoweramp folks) to stream any FLACs to my Denon receiver over
HDMI. Since it's HDMI it should work with any receiver.
The DBT230 is about $130 retail and is a very good BD player. It can
play back any FLACs including multi-channel. The only issue is that it
doesn't playback gapless, so when playing Dark Side of the Moon or live
recordings there is a short gap between tracks (well under a second, but
still very noticeable). I wish they would fix that.
As for compatibility, it plays every FLAC I have tried and that includes
stereo and multi-channel, 16 and 24-bit, and 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96 and 192
kHz.
Mike
That would be a way , i should investigate other bz players to or
pissibly my own tv with a upnp server :)



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Wombat
2014-03-27 18:41:01 UTC
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Post by Archimago
The dithering algorithm will be MBIT+ from iZotope RX 3. I find it
transparent. It's proprietary, noise shaped and I've heard many pros
preferring it to the usual TPDF... Although I suspect TPDF would be
fine!
Unfortunately i guess it will be pretty easy to spot the noise dither
shaped curve somehow or substract differences from the files easy then.
I will happily helping try to check your files for fake analysis
detection.
btw. for such a test LossyWAV surely is a nice candidate. It
demonstrates impressively how some music can even sound the same when
some parts are only using down to 12bit
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LossyWAV



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CharlieG
2014-03-27 10:43:20 UTC
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Post by Archimago
:-)
Boring or not, I just want audiophiles to test if they can really tell
the difference between 24-bit and 16-bit. (As many claim they can!)
Just curious, do you intend to post a link to this test at the Steve
Hoffman Forums?

I have taken to visiting that site lately before I buy a CD to see which
release is considered to have the best sound quality. I have bought some
of their recommendations, which really do sound good. I really like the
forum but there are some pretty hefty claims made by some members with
regard to their ability to hear differences between Redbook and hi-res
music.

I can understand people getting confused over this as I did the same.
When I bought the 24/96 download of "Band On The Run" I was blown away.
I thought the great sound quality was from hi-res, but later realized it
was from the different mastering. Well that, and the last time I owned
this album was on 8 track! So I was comparing a decades old memory of
how this album sounded.



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Mnyb
2014-03-23 10:08:33 UTC
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Post by Julf
Mark Waldrep seems like a good, clued-up guy. I did get a 1-minute
sample from Robert von Bahr of BIS for a test a couple of years ago, but
it was only vocal music with almost no energy above 15 kHz, so not the
best test sample, and after the attempt at an objective test caused a
huge amount of negative reactions on CA, I am not sure he would like to
do it again (he was pretty much driven away from CA himself too).
How about asking on one of the recording forums?
OT

Must be very hard to run a business where a large quantity of
prospective customers do not understand the product they are buying
:confused: some of bis recordings are very fine indeed .
They are pretty much forced to package as "hirez" whatever it was from
the outset to gain acess to this new outlets of better than CD
downloads.

I liked this post by Mark http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=2644 yes among
analog recordings you probably find the finest music you ever heard but
it ain’t ever going to be hirez and thus do not need a 24/192 or
DSD packaging to be -fully appreciated- yes you wont miss a thing in
reedbook .

Sligthly on topic .

Since I assumed you are a recording pro .

Would not air be good at absorbing ultrasonics ? So what happens with
big orchestral works or any music with microphones far away . Do the
captured audio exceeds 20kHz ie merit a higher samplerate at playback to
be "the whole signal" if can be heard or not is another matter ?

Another matter would be choice of recording equipment microphones for
example I can only speculate that for example microphone companies
pretty much assumed the 20-20k spec or less ? Sometimes vintage mikes
are used for the euphonics they produce , but is not that that another
potential block for finding a good test sample ?

I mean even if the studio used the latest and greatest 24/192 AD
converters other parameters could make it so that there is nothing to
sample in the first place >20kHz ?
You could probably make a similar argument for noise and the need for
more bits beyond >16 if the whole thing fades into random background
hiss at -80dB the extra bits is not going to do anything fore you .

NOTE: i'm discussing consumer delivery formats , there are other very
good reasons to produce and mix in very high rates as you may want to do
things with the signal so the use of 24bits or 32 bits in the studio is
a separate topic . But they are easily confused in all these discussions
.



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Julf
2014-03-23 11:43:33 UTC
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Since I assumed you are a recording pro.
Definitely not a recording pro, just some experience with pro gear and
installations.
Would not air be good at absorbing ultrasonics?
While absorbtion definitely goes up pretty steeply with frequency, it is
still less than 1-2 dB/m even at ultrasonic frequencies, so not an issue
in a studio but somewhat of an issue in a big concert venue.
Do the captured audio exceeds 20kHz ie merit a higher samplerate at
playback to be "the whole signal"
Especially with wind instruments, you do get some energy above 20 kHz,
but not huge amounts - cymbals do produce a fair bit of higher
frequencies.
if can be heard or not is another matter?
Indeed. If something is not audible, it is not audible. :)
Another matter would be choice of recording equipment microphones for
example I can only speculate that for example microphone companies
pretty much assumed the 20-20k spec or less ? Sometimes vintage mikes
are used for the euphonics they produce , but is not that that another
potential block for finding a good test sample?
Many studio mics, while starting to drop at 20 k, still pick up a
reasonable amount of stuff up to 25-30 k.
I mean even if the studio used the latest and greatest 24/192 AD
converters other parameters could make it so that there is nothing to
sample in the first place >20kHz ?
You could probably make a similar argument for noise and the need for
more bits beyond >16 if the whole thing fades into random background
hiss at -80dB the extra bits is not going to do anything fore you.
Absolutely. The only reason people in the pro audio world use higher
sample rates is to be able to use softer low-pass filters, but once the
signal is in the digital domain and modern digital filters can be used,
it is not an issue any more. 24 bits gives you more headroom and
flexibility in the dynamic range when recording, but once the signal has
been normalized, 16 bits is more than enough.
NOTE: i'm discussing consumer delivery formats , there are other very
good reasons to produce and mix in very high rates as you may want to do
things with the signal so the use of 24bits or 32 bits in the studio is
a separate topic . But they are easily confused in all these discussions
.
Exactly. You need headroom when processing, but once the processing is
done, no benefit is gained by hi-res.



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Mnyb
2014-03-23 15:56:25 UTC
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Post by Julf
Definitely not a recording pro, just some experience with pro gear and
installations.
While absorbtion definitely goes up pretty steeply with frequency, it is
still less than 1-2 dB/m even at ultrasonic frequencies, so not an issue
in a studio but somewhat of an issue in a big concert venue.
Especially with wind instruments, you do get some energy above 20 kHz,
but not huge amounts - cymbals do produce a fair bit of higher
frequencies.
Indeed. If something is not audible, it is not audible. :)
Many studio mics, while starting to drop at 20 k, still pick up a
reasonable amount of stuff up to 25-30 k.
Absolutely. The only reason people in the pro audio world use higher
sample rates is to be able to use softer low-pass filters, but once the
signal is in the digital domain and modern digital filters can be used,
it is not an issue any more. 24 bits gives you more headroom and
flexibility in the dynamic range when recording, but once the signal has
been normalized, 16 bits is more than enough.
Exactly. You need headroom when processing, but once the processing is
done, no benefit is gained by hi-res.
thanks for clarifications then the probability of actual hires
recordings would rise , some existing ones may have those qualities even
if the producer did not have those intentions . Sometimes they just
wanted to make a good sounding record :) .

Then maybe some suitable test tracks could be available if there are
Post by Julf
=24/96 originals left. If they at least actually have intrisinic sound
quality far above CD quality , again the audiability may or may not be
there but the technical quality could be .

That would fit archimagos purpose for a fair blind test , the test track
must have qualities beyond CD quality so that a meaningful comparison
with a downsampled version could be done .
Otherwise the two version would be "the same" practically .

I do think some AIX stuff fits the bill they sound very good . Possibly
2L have some tracks too or Linn



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jimbobvfr400
2014-03-26 08:11:58 UTC
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Well your last format tests changed my mind about MP3 at higher bit
rates so I'm looking forward to this one.


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