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Need a little help from the experts...
dhallag
2014-03-31 17:24:48 UTC
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So I've been using squeezebox for quite some time and absolutely love
it. Here's my home setup via two different zones:

1. SB Touch analog out to Marantz 2270 paired with Boston Acoustics
VR940's (also with a Marantz Record player and is in my bedroom where I
do my focused listening)
2. SB Receiver C-RM66 analog out to Marantz SR6004 paid with Controlled
Performance RS Silver in-walls (and a Klipsch sub). Yes I know in walls
are not ideal, but I am really limited in space, and they actually sound
pretty good as they have their own inclosing and actually look pretty
great in my setup since I've done some customized framing around them.
I also have a rooftop which is wired from this setup in my living room.
Outside, a pair of Klipsch KH07's which actually sound great. So the
Marantz SR6004 has two wired zones and I use as home theatre and for
listening to music in my living room and rooftop.

With the advent of more sources offering 96/24 and 192/24 offerings
(HDTracks and Youngs new Pono music), I'm starting to have more music
that is at least 96/24. The Touch has no problem handing the 96/24 and
192/24, but the SB receiver does --- it does play them, but I get a lot
of drop outs. I also like to keep the two synced together and that's
just not possible anymore. So I think the SB Receiver is definitely the
weak link in my setup and thus I'm looking to replace. I don't have
anything less than MP3 320 in my digital collection.

So the question in my mind is the Touch or Transporter?

Unfortunately, like really unfortunately, I won't have an option of
comparing the two sound quality before purchasing. Along those same
lines, I've seen that updating the power for the Touch really makes a
difference so I'm not opposed to doing something like that as well.
(I've seen this product on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Upgraded-Power-Supply-5Vdc-3A-/281278850492?pt=Power_Cables_Connectors&hash=item417d86a5bc)
I don't have any current capability of using the balanced analogs outs
of the transporter. I'm certainly not opposed of going down that route
in the future, but quite honestly I am very happy with the sound quality
of my first setup and as I am currently limited by space (hence the in
walls) of my living room, I'm not sure it makes sense to go down that
route in my living room without having a lot of options to upgrade the
speakers, not to mention the dual use of a home theatre. Of course
there's an addition of a separate DAC that I could use, but as far as
upgrades first, second, third, etc.. in my setup, i'm thinking first
should be the actual player, then cleaner power, then DAC, then living
room amp... but maybe I have this order incorrect...

I'm obviously looking to get the largest bang for my buck, but I'm not
opposed of doing additional things to enhance the sound of my living
room (or first setup). So with that, I'm asking for a little guidance
here. Right now I can get the transporter for around $1100 and the
touch for 400ish... I've read many threads here comparing the two and I
obviously am looking for a little more discussion around this and why I
thought giving a description of my uses and setup would help.

As far as what type of music I'm listening to, I'm really all over the
board. I have a respectable record and digital music collection that
consists of Jazz, Rock, Indie, Classic Rock, Classical (not a lot of R&B
and Rap). I just love music, I mean I really love music.....

thanks much guys in advance for your help here.

darien


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Julf
2014-03-31 18:01:53 UTC
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Post by dhallag
I've seen that updating the power for the Touch really makes a
difference
Where have you seen that? Just because somebody sells a product doesn't
mean that that product is actually needed.

The touch as it is, with the stock power supply, gives a great sound.



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fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
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dhallag
2014-03-31 18:04:53 UTC
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Post by Julf
Where have you seen that? Just because somebody sells a product doesn't
mean that that product is actually needed.
The touch as it is, with the stock power supply, gives a great sound.
I've read so many damn threads that my mind is about the explode. Yea I
agree what you're saying and that's why I am asking. My impression is
that many people that have done things to upgrade the Touch have done so
by updating the power.


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darrenyeats
2014-03-31 18:30:53 UTC
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My opinion about this is a little different ...

I feel it's a good bet that audio equipment provided with an SMPS, class
D amps included, are designed to work well with SMPS noise. So I
wouldn't worry about the Touch power supply on its own.

However, I'm not happy to make that bet with audio equipment using
linear supplies. Therefore, if your outboard DAC, amp or actives use
linear supplies, it might pay to address ALL sources of SMPS noise on
the mains ring they are attached to.

To filter SMPSs on the ring I use two phases of filter in series, a
Tacima CS-929 and Marmitek FM10U. I have filters in the study (which
shares a mains ring with my main system) and filters on the Touch power
supply. My DAC and actives are plugged straight into the wall - it's the
sources of noise that are filtered.

I did the above, plus I bought better extensions (nothing audiophile,
just branded lampless, switchless extensions), plus removed silly stuff
like LED lights that I had plugged into the hi-fi extensions. Those that
believe in clean power will gasp at the last bit, everyone else will say
so what! Well I am a believer now because I perceived an improvement in
sound quality mainly around "glare", "treble hash", "annoyance",
"musicality" that is no-going-back for me!



Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503.

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Julf
2014-03-31 18:30:55 UTC
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My impression is that many people that have done things to upgrade the
Touch have done so by updating the power.
Yes, as it is the easiest "tweak" to do - but I still haven't seen any
proper evidence it makes any real difference. I couldn't hear any
difference when I was using the analog output of the touch, and it
definitely doesn't make any difference now that I am driving a DAC/DSP
unit with it.



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fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
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Mnyb
2014-03-31 19:12:03 UTC
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On topic another Touch could fit your needs if you get one to a decent
price it's more future proof than a transporter and you could just a
outbord DAC if need something better .

Triode has an EDO app that also adds 24/192 and USB support to the Touch
, making it more versatile in some circumstances (i dont need that add
on for my needs ) .

But there are a bunch of USB only dacs out there and some other may work
better with asyncrounuos USB , but thats not a given . but the option
exists with the EDO app .

Touch FW is a bit more open to third party tweaks Transporter is what it
is .

There are also all kinds of wandboards RaspBI and plug computers used ?
but some one else may have more insigth in whats what in that department
:)



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deadushka
2014-04-24 21:20:08 UTC
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Post by Julf
Yes, as it is the easiest "tweak" to do - but I still haven't seen any
proper evidence it makes any real difference. I couldn't hear any
difference when I was using the analog output of the touch, and it
definitely doesn't make any difference now that I am driving a DAC/DSP
unit with it.
That's only because your system doesn't have enough resoluton to show
the difference IMHO.



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Julf
2014-04-25 05:57:42 UTC
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That's only because your system doesn't have enough resoluton to show
the difference IMHO.
Ah, yes. Could also be my ears aren't refined enough, or that the
negative vibrations from my scepticism blocks any differences. Do you
think sticking a price tag with a really big number on my system would
help?



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fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
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Mnyb
2014-04-25 09:53:52 UTC
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Post by Julf
Ah, yes. Could also be my ears aren't refined enough, or that the
negative vibrations from my scepticism blocks any differences. Do you
think sticking a price tag with a really big number on my system would
help?
Deadushka is some kind of troll dont respond to it see the other tread
it started :)



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Bedroom/Office: Boom
Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad
(in storage SB3, reciever ,controller )
server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

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Julf
2014-04-25 10:27:15 UTC
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Deadushka is some kind of troll dont respond to it see the other tread
it started :)
Ah, yes, thanks for the heads-up! :)



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jimbobvfr400
2014-04-02 23:20:04 UTC
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It might be worth trying moving them both to a temporary location where
you can try the cable for both. I'd say its likely either the server not
keeping up, or the connection.

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jimbobvfr400
2014-04-02 16:57:02 UTC
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I've read on here that the internal WiFi antennas on a duet receiver
aren't in the best place. This thread describes the problem and
solution.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100887

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Mnyb
2014-04-03 04:14:40 UTC
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Yes I do know about the receiver. And I see that both the receiver and
touch are converting it down to match the lowest common denominator of
the receiver. Another reason to get it replaced. And I would imagine
that the additional processing it's doing to do that conversion down
taxes the system and is leading to the lower transfer rates. Only way
to tell for sure is the get the touch and compare.
I used to have LMS on a real computer; but it was wireless as well as I
really can't place a wired computer to the router. I still have it
setup with the same version of LMS on it so I can try that to see if it
works better.
My hires files are FLAC; are you saying that I should really rip and
purchase in WAV?
No no stick with flac , flac is way much better in preserving metadata
and uses half the bandwith when streaming :) and technically it's not
the reciever or touch that does the converting it's the server .
The idea was to test if the NAS gets CPU bound by the conversion .

And also some people stream flac as wav ! ( yes the server can be set up
to do that ) Don't do that it uses more bandwith and CPU cycles for
nothing .
There are "advice" floating around that you should do that but it's
nonsense .

OT . If there is a 24/192 or 24/96 version of a recording I get the
24/96 one . That's simplifies things too .
My two main players are Touches transcoding rarely takes place and I you
save money as they usually charge more for 24/192 usually for nothing .



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Bedroom/Office: Boom
Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad
(in storage SB3, reciever ,controller )
server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

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Archimago
2014-04-02 15:33:20 UTC
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With the advent of more sources offering 96/24 and 192/24 offerings
(HDTracks and Youngs new Pono music), I'm starting to have more music
that is at least 96/24. The Touch has no problem handing the 96/24 and
192/24, but the SB receiver does --- it does play them, but I get a lot
of drop outs.
Yes, looks like the Receiver is your weak link... Some good discussion
and suggestions already.

However I am curious about the drop outs you speak of. What computer are
you using to run LMS on? Is it too slow to do the real-time conversion
of hi-res files thus causing the drop outs? Are you running wireless /
wired?



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dhallag
2014-04-02 22:18:17 UTC
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You are aware of that reciever is limited to 24/48 the server is
transcoding anything else .
Touch is limited to 24/96 natively ,can be extended to 24/192 with the
EDO app if you wish .
Otherwise the server would transcode 24/192 files to 24/96 .
If you sync both player ps transcoding will be done at 24/48 .
Have you for kicks just tried LMS on a real computer vs NAS . I do think
your new NAS is a big improvement but wonders about its transcoding
abilities ?
What kind of CPU x86 or some kind of arm .
Have a look at your file types setup , there could be some trade offs
done here .
What kind of hirez files are you playing flac or wav or alac .that also
a affects the transcoding .
Also have a look at what the send out stream would be it should default
at flac as it conserves bandwith , but in some cases PCM (wav) could
conserve CPU cycles .
Yes I do know about the receiver. And I see that both the receiver and
touch are converting it down to match the lowest common denominator of
the receiver. Another reason to get it replaced. And I would imagine
that the additional processing it's doing to do that conversion down
taxes the system and is leading to the lower transfer rates. Only way
to tell for sure is the get the touch and compare.

I used to have LMS on a real computer; but it was wireless as well as I
really can't place a wired computer to the router. I still have it
setup with the same version of LMS on it so I can try that to see if it
works better.

My hires files are FLAC; are you saying that I should really rip and
purchase in WAV?


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dhallag
2014-04-02 20:33:28 UTC
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Yes, looks like the Receiver is your weak link... Some good discussion
and suggestions already.
However I am curious about the drop outs you speak of. What computer are
you using to run LMS on? Is it too slow to do the real-time conversion
of hi-res files thus causing the drop outs? Are you running wireless /
wired?
Great questions:
- I'm running LMS on my QNAP NAS. That was my first change. Since I
did that, everything seems to move faster -- the GUI on the Duet
controller and Touch. Plus the songs load faster so I love this change.
It's got a 1.6Ghz CPU with 512DDRIII so I believe that is powerful
enough, yes?
- When I take out the Receiver and just do the touch wireless, I get no
dropouts on 92/24. However, in that same scenario, when I moved to the
192/24 files, I did get dropouts. So I just purchased a powerline
solution from netgear and now no dropouts to the touch on 192/24. And
with the powerline attached to the receiver and wireless to touch (again
running 96/24), I'm still getting dropouts but far less than originally
when it was all wireless. So frustrating.

So an interesting observation: when I had the powerline to the touch, I
would consistently get a wired connection each way of about 50Mbps.
However, with the powerline to the receiver in the exact same spot, I'm
getting 18/19 from the router to the receiver and about 38Mpbs from the
receiver to the router.

Regardless, I'm getting a touch. F the receiver.


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Archimago
2014-04-03 06:45:35 UTC
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- I'm running LMS on my QNAP NAS. That was my first change. Since I
did that, everything seems to move faster -- the GUI on the Duet
controller and Touch. Plus the songs load faster so I love this change.
It's got a 1.6Ghz CPU with 512DDRIII so I believe that is powerful
enough, yes?
Looking at the QNAP site, it looks like the typical processor they use
is something along the lines of Marvell's Feroceon 88F6282 at 1.6 GHz.
This is a single core ARM processor. To get a speed comparison, if you
look at the Linux BogoMips rating, this processor gets something like
1600.

This is equivalent to about a Celeron M @800MHz.

As you can imagine, that's not a high level of performance. Good to hear
that 24/192 transcoding to the Touch worked ok through the powerline
though which is good. However, it looks like there's not much extra
headroom for simultaneous streams. You could also try taking out the
Receiver and use SqueezePlay on the computer as a "simulation" of a
second Touch to check for dropouts.



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dhallag
2014-04-03 17:13:40 UTC
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Well, I am actually sort of kind of disappointed that the QNAP processor
was the problem. I was really hoping to NOT have to use LMS on a
computer. Yea it worked great for the touch 192/24 only. However, when
I added the Receiver to the mix, all hell broke loose. The only time it
didn't drop, was when it was processing anything equal or less than
48/24. Using a computer with LMS had no problems, even transcoding my
one 192/24 album -- wait for it -- Thriller... ;)

So now the question is this:
1. The Receiver only does 48/24 so with that in the mix, everything
get's decoded down to 48/24. If I had two Touches, could the QNAP
processer be enough to stream to both as there would be no transcoding
at all... so basically, is the transcoding the root of the problem?

2. Or, is it the QNAP processor hung up on the larger files of 96/24
and above...

The only way for sure would be to test the system with two Touch's and
see if the QNAP can handle that as there will be no transcoding of
anything with two Touch's. so it seems that a second touch will do me
better than the transporter so once I get my second touch, I'll test and
post my findings...

And of course this leads me to another question as well... is there any
benefit to get the 192/24 over the 96/24...


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Mnyb
2014-04-03 18:09:27 UTC
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Well, I am actually sort of kind of disappointed that the QNAP processor
was the problem. I was really hoping to NOT have to use LMS on a
computer. Yea it worked great for the touch 192/24 only. However, when
I added the Receiver to the mix, all hell broke loose. The only time it
didn't drop, was when it was processing anything equal or less than
48/24. Using a computer with LMS had no problems, even transcoding my
one 192/24 album -- wait for it -- Thriller... ;)
1. The Receiver only does 48/24 so with that in the mix, everything
get's decoded down to 48/24. If I had two Touches, could the QNAP
processer be enough to stream to both as there would be no transcoding
at all... so basically, is the transcoding the root of the problem?
2. Or, is it the QNAP processor hung up on the larger files of 96/24
and above...
The only way for sure would be to test the system with two Touch's and
see if the QNAP can handle that as there will be no transcoding of
anything with two Touch's. so it seems that a second touch will do me
better than the transporter so once I get my second touch, I'll test and
post my findings...
And of course this leads me to another question as well... is there any
benefit to get the 192/24 over the 96/24...
When you *synchronise players* to play the same thing you got to have to
do that towards the least capable player so the weak player decides
what’s it gona be , but the transcoding itself may not use much more cpu
.
But its obviusly going to happen more often with a 24/48 player involved
.

If the players are not synced ,when you are playing different stuff in
each player and it so happens that a player gets a track it can't
natively handle you may in worst case end up with two transcoding
processes simultaneously or in best case no transcoding.
But as individuals the *Touch is not going to revert to 48k if its
unsynced *because you have a receiver !

So the quickfix is to not sync the receiver when playing 24/96 files and
you be fine in a large library there are not many hirez files and those
are often with more well recorded stuff that you tend to enjouy in fron
of the "nice hifi" .
The receiver does not have to be synced with it .

If you want synced audio and not have things to crash on you when the
occasional 24/96 file gets by then two Touches are very good and also
actually some of the third party players with wandboard and RasPI and
whatnot could do it to !

Another factor is the reciever not so good wifi if you happens to use
that .

it's very unlikely that one in a controlled test tell the difference
between 16/44.1 and any hirez format . So obviously the diff between
24/96 and 24/192 is not a point to discuss yet :) before the first
clause is proven...
And then there is the matter of the quality of the actual recording very
few are even up to CD standard so no lossles consumer format is the
limiting factor on sound-quality its the recording itself in 99.99 % of
the cases.
The cause for a store like HD-tracks is that they sometimes can offer a
better master of a recording ! thats why its sounds better .

That said it can be nice to have slosh margin for production errors etc
so 24/96 ok but why 24/192 ? if its of the same origin . So IMO 24/96 is
the level of overkill you migth need to be safe .
So you migth just use some software to convert the 24/192 files to 24/96
offline .

-Touch can be modified to handle 24/192 on it digital output only- so
thats not going to work if you use the analog out .

Sligthly OT :
The company that build my shoddy Hi-Fi limited most of their hardware to
24/96 (Meridian se my sig) because it s was of no use as a consumer
format (studio is another thing ) :)
Meridian happens to think that a little better than reedbook CD can be
needed in some cases and they like discrete multichannel hence they
developed the DVDA format and MLP (Now re-branded as Dolby TRue HD for
blueray )



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Bedroom/Office: Boom
Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad
(in storage SB3, reciever ,controller )
server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

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cliveb
2014-04-04 07:55:59 UTC
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Let's try and be succinct:

1. You have some hi-res files.
2. You have a Receiver, which is limited to 24/48.
3. You have a low-powered server.

This combination is far from ideal.

You have three options to resolve this:

1. Get a faster server.

2. Replace the Receiver with another Touch. May be difficult and/or
expensive to find one now they are discontinued. (Maybe a Wandboard
running CSOS would be another option, although synchronization of a
Wandboard with your existing Touch may not be good enough for your
needs).

3. One-off downsample your hi-res files to 24/48 using a good converter
such as SOX. (You might argue that then you'd lose the benefit of them
being hi-res. My response to this is why not try it and see? In all
likelihood you won't hear any degradation at all).



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bakker_be
2014-04-04 09:40:22 UTC
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1. You have some hi-res files.
2. You have a Receiver, which is limited to 24/48.
3. You have a low-powered server.
This combination is far from ideal.
1. Get a faster server.
2. Replace the Receiver with another Touch. May be difficult and/or
expensive to find one now they are discontinued. (Maybe a Wandboard
running CSOS would be another option, although synchronization of a
Wandboard with your existing Touch may not be good enough for your
needs).
3. One-off downsample your hi-res files to 24/48 using a good converter
such as SOX. (You might argue that then you'd lose the benefit of them
being hi-res. My response to this is why not try it and see? In all
likelihood you won't hear any degradation at all).
Regarding solution 2: I have the wandboard (wired), a PC running
Squeezelite (wireless), a Touch (wired), an Android Tablet and an iPad,
and even with more than 2 of them synced in the same room sync is
seamless to me, running off the LMS on the wandboard.



Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004; TMA Premium 905; TMA Premium 901;
BK Monolith+ FF; HDI Dune Smart D1; Pioneer PDP-LX5090H
iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated)
Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer
Wandboard Duallite + CSOS, integrated LMS activated
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dhallag
2014-04-04 19:46:17 UTC
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Post by cliveb
1. You have some hi-res files.
2. You have a Receiver, which is limited to 24/48.
3. You have a low-powered server.
This combination is far from ideal.
1. Get a faster server.
2. Replace the Receiver with another Touch. May be difficult and/or
expensive to find one now they are discontinued. (Maybe a Wandboard
running CSOS would be another option, although synchronization of a
Wandboard with your existing Touch may not be good enough for your
needs).
3. One-off downsample your hi-res files to 24/48 using a good converter
such as SOX. (You might argue that then you'd lose the benefit of them
being hi-res. My response to this is why not try it and see? In all
likelihood you won't hear any degradation at all).
You got it! So here we go:
1. Get a faster server. I have a PC that now has LMS installed on it.
This PC is attached to my TV so it's wireless but I'm getting good
wireless speeds. With this solution no dropouts. So got this one
covered.
2. Replace the Receiver. Yea there's sonic reasons to do this as well
so I'm trying. People are selling this for almost twice retail so I
guess we'll just have to see how that works out.
3. Let me try and replace the squeezebox receiver first... if I do
this, I will have no transcoding at all which is ideal. Also, I'm
wondering if the transcoding is the taxing part of the CPU and thus
maybe with no transcoding, the QNAP could handle with two zones synced.


My other thoughts are also that I should probably get a DAC. In my
living room, my amp/receiver is the Marantz SR6004 which has a pretty
good DAC inside it: TI Aureus 32 bit which gladly accepts 192/24. If
any of you know differently, let me know... But for my bedroom with the
vintage tube Marantz 2270, a DAC could probably go a long way as it
appears as the DAC on the Touch could be better. This of course leads
me into a whole world of DAC's and there are a million of them....


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darrenyeats
2014-04-04 22:50:54 UTC
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The DAC in the Touch isn't bad IMO ...



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mlsstl
2014-04-05 01:20:58 UTC
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The DAC in the Touch isn't bad IMO ...
I agree. When I got my Touch, I had a Lavry DAC and compared the Touch's
DAC to the Lavry for two weeks -- back-to-back, synced and
level-matched. The difference was extremely subtle, so much so that I
ended up selling the Lavry. However, I should note that I surrendered my
"audiophile" membership card some years back when things got too
over-the-top for me. I just listen to music these days.


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dhallag
2014-04-05 16:44:55 UTC
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Post by mlsstl
I agree. When I got my Touch, I had a Lavry DAC and compared the Touch's
DAC to the Lavry for two weeks -- back-to-back, synced and
level-matched. The difference was extremely subtle, so much so that I
ended up selling the Lavry. However, I should note that I surrendered my
"audiophile" membership card some years back when things got too
over-the-top for me. I just listen to music these days.
hahahahaha -- I hear ya....


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Mnyb
2014-04-02 21:05:01 UTC
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You are aware of that reciever is limited to 24/48 the server is
transcoding anything else .

Touch is limited to 24/96 natively ,can be extended to 24/192 with the
EDO app if you wish .
Otherwise the server would transcode 24/192 files to 24/96 .

If you sync both player ps transcoding will be done at 24/48 .

Have you for kicks just tried LMS on a real computer vs NAS . I do think
your new NAS is a big improvement but wonders about its transcoding
abilities ?
What kind of CPU x86 or some kind of arm .

Have a look at your file types setup , there could be some trade offs
done here .

What kind of hirez files are you playing flac or wav or alac .that also
a affects the transcoding .

Also have a look at what the send out stream would be it should default
at flac as it conserves bandwith , but in some cases PCM (wav) could
conserve CPU cycles .



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sub.
Bedroom/Office: Boom
Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad
(in storage SB3, reciever ,controller )
server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

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