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I can't make this stuff up
ralphpnj
2013-03-14 17:56:48 UTC
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As much as I might want to I can't make this stuff up, in other words
this month's clown update direct from the pages of the premier magazine
for the musings of those fabulous "professional" audio reviewers,
otherwise known as clowns, The Absolute Sound. (Issue 232, April 2013)

First off we get a very well reasoned letter questioning the review
procedure for AudioQuest DragonFly DAC. To his credit the reviewer, Alan
Taffel, does acknowledge his error but then he goes on to write: > Contrary to your assumption, the MM-1 (Note: the MM-1s are B&W powered
desktop speakers with built-in DAC) did not sound better being directly
driven by USB. We can only surmise from this that the PC's USB is laden
with jitter
News flash: Jitter can be measured!!! But hey, Mr. Taffel is a
professional clown and clowns don't measure, they just "surmise".

Next we have the clown in chief, oops I mean editor in chief, Robert
Harley waxing on about sins of commission versus sins of omission in his
monthly editorial. While most of his points are very well stated and
surprisingly coherent, he ruins the whole effort with this last
Those who attempt to remove human "subjectivity" from audio engineering
forget that the listener isn't a passive observer, but a fully active,
engaged, and even creative participant. From nothing but patterns of
varying air pressure, we conjure in our minds living and breathing
musicians. The traditional yardsticks of sound quality are meaningless
without recognizing the vital role our imaginations play in music
listening.
Now I for one am very confused. Doesn't the process of subjectively
reviewing over priced high end audio equipment involve listening to
music? And as stated by Mr. Harley the reviewer/listener's imagination
comes into play during the listening required during the course of a
review. Yet somehow that imagination, or at least the imagination of
professional clowns, oops I did it again, I mean reviewers, is able to
selectively filter out the real from the imagined. As I said I can't
make this stuff up!


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dyohn
2013-03-14 20:22:20 UTC
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Very well stated. I call Absolute Sound absolute rubbish.


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ralphpnj
2013-03-14 20:51:16 UTC
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Post by dyohn
Very well stated. I call Absolute Sound absolute rubbish.
The truly sad thing is that much of the equipment that TAS reviews
really deserves to be given a high quality and thorough review. The kind
of review that includes things like double blind listening tests,
extensive sighted listening, careful measurements, evaluations of all of
the equipment's functions, etc. For example in the same issue i quoted
from above, there is a review of the new Oppo BDP-105 where the reviewer
only uses the Oppo to listen to two channel CDs and SACDs - no mention
of multichannel playback, DVD video, blu-ray, 3D blu-ray, network
streaming, internet streaming (netflix playback), USB input, DAC, etc.
And of course not one single measurement.

But what can one expect from a magazine that claims that wav files are
superior to flac files, that a $500 USB cable "sounds" better than well
made $20 USB cable and that the jitter from a SPDIF connection is
clearly audible.

So I guess you're right: TAS is really TAR!


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mlsstl
2013-03-14 23:45:17 UTC
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The quote from Robert Harley read: "Those who attempt to remove human
"subjectivity" from audio engineering forget that the listener isn't a
passive observer, but a fully active, engaged, and even creative
participant. From nothing but patterns of varying air pressure, we
conjure in our minds living and breathing musicians. The traditional
yardsticks of sound quality are meaningless without recognizing the
vital role our imaginations play in music listening."
Yes, our brain actively influences how we perceive how we hear. No one
should dispute that. However, the one big drawback of subjective
reviewing is that Mr. Harley's vivid imagination -- i.e., what his brain
does with all of those non-audio factors such as appearance, knowledge
of brand name, price and so on -- is impossible to reliably transfer to
other listeners. The good vibes that Harley's subconscious attaches to a
thick-milled front panel with special blue lights may well invoke the
opposite response from someone else.

It is always interesting how many "enormous" differences under sighted
listening conditions shrink significantly in size when auditioned under
truly blind conditions. I just wish the subjectivists would stop the
silly pretension of insisting their imaginative perceptions are always
and only due to some obscure technicality that anyone with golden ears
could hear. If you don't hear what they hear, you become a clod with an
inferior system.

Now that Mr. Harley has admitted he has an imagination, it'd be nice if
he could take the next step and admit that perhaps some of what he hears
is due to that instead of claiming that he is hearing the difference
between a signal at -112 dB vs -110 dB or some picoseconds of jitter,
etc.


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ralphpnj
2013-03-15 00:18:32 UTC
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Post by mlsstl
Yes, our brain actively influences how we perceive how we hear. No one
should dispute that. However, the one big drawback of subjective
reviewing is that Mr. Harley's vivid imagination -- i.e., what his brain
does with all of those non-audio factors such as appearance, knowledge
of brand name, price and so on -- is impossible to reliably transfer to
other listeners. The good vibes that Harley's subconscious attaches to a
thick-milled front panel with special blue lights may well invoke the
opposite response from someone else.
It is always interesting how many "enormous" differences under sighted
listening conditions shrink significantly in size when auditioned under
truly blind conditions. I just wish the subjectivists would stop the
silly pretension of insisting their imaginative perceptions are always
and only due to some obscure technicality that anyone with golden ears
could hear. If you don't hear what they hear, you become a clod with an
inferior system.
Now that Mr. Harley has admitted he has an imagination, it'd be nice if
he could take the next step and admit that perhaps some of what he hears
is due to that instead of claiming that he is hearing the difference
between a signal at -112 dB vs -110 dB or some picoseconds of jitter,
etc.
You're grasped and distilled my point perfectly. Thank you for that very
well written and well thought out post.


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