Olive Musica

[pedalvet]

Hi guys-
I'm thinking about getting a Squeezbox 3, but have also been intrigued
by the Olive Musica. One of the things that sways me most toward the
SB3 is this vibrant community for support. On the other hand, the
Musica seem to have more robust hardware.

Obviously people here on this forum are interested in high quality
music reproduction, and have decided to go with the Sqeezebox. What
are the reasons for that decision? Why should I go with an SB3 over an
Olive Musica?

[davep]

Post by pedalvet
Hi guys-
Why should I go with an SB3 over an Olive Musica?

I would start with the fact that you can get 3 SB3's for the price of 1
Musica and put them around your house and have high quality music
wherever you go. Then I would worry about having the hard disk
(although called "extremely quiet") in the room where I was wanting to
listen seriously to music. I'm not sure if there is also a fan in
there. Finally I would ask what happens when you fill up the 160Gb HDD
which, if you are serious about music and rip losslessly to FLAC, you
surely will. It is not clear if you could use the USB port to hook in
additional drives but then, of course, you'd have 2 potentially noisy
HDDs next to your stereo (one of which will probably have a bright blue
flashing disk access light).

Just my $0.02

davep

[pedalvet]

Post by davep
I would ask what happens when you fill up the 160Gb HDD
davep

You can stream music from your networked PC or Mac.

[Pale Blue Ego]

Post by pedalvet
You can stream music from your networked PC or Mac.

Might as well use slimserver and just do that for your whole
collection, then. For the price of the Olive, you could buy a
Squeezebox and a terabyte of storage.

The Olive is a nice component, and for someone with a modest music
collection it might make sense, but I much prefer Slim's philosophy of
separating the interface/music playback device from the brains/brawn of
the cpu/storage unit.

[Kyle]

The lastest ir-blaster plugin in combination with firmware 29 has
complete repeater functionality. Works with all the devices I have in
my cabinet :)

Yes, but the plug-in requires that the server be on, doesn't it? I was
hoping for a solution that would work whether the server was on or not.

[tom permutt]

Post by Kyle
Yes, but the plug-in requires that the server be on, doesn't it? I was
hoping for a solution that would work whether the server was on or not.

Before I bought the SlimServer, I too had concerns about needing a
server running. I assumed that my Server would be the same box that is
now my Computer. (It is, in fact.) It doesn't have to be, though.
Many people have some box in a closet somewhere. I gather the
alternative you are considering costs more than a Squeezebox and a new
computer combined. So, buy both if you don't want to use your other
computer. As has been pointed out, there are advantages to not having
them in the same room.

[aubuti]

Post by davep
I would start with the fact that you can get 3 SB3's for the price of 1
Musica and put them around your house and have high quality music
wherever you go. Then I would worry about having the hard disk
(although called "extremely quiet") in the room where I was wanting to
listen seriously to music. I'm not sure if there is also a fan in
there.
davep

I took a long hard look at the Olive recently before deciding to go
with Squeezebox, and my thinking was much along the lines of davep's.
I've bought a wireless SB3, a wired SB2, and a 250GB LinkStation (to
hold the music and run slimserver) all for a total of about $700, which
is far less than either of the Olive machines. Even after I add a 3rd
SB/room the outlay will be less than a single Olive Musica.

I suspect that for some the all-in-one aspect of the Olive (at least
until you start streaming to other rooms) appeals to many people. I
don't do that much critical listening, but I'm still happier keeping
the noisy bits (the LinkStation's disk and fan) down in the basement,
where you can't hear it over the furnace anyway.

And given the relatively small capacity of the Olive boxes, for most
people (especially those ripping to lossless formats) an additional
storage point will have to come into the picture sooner or later
anyway, negating Olive's all-in-one advantage.

Final selling points for the SB were the non-proprietary, open source
orientation of SlimDevices, and the active user base.

Bottom line: the price of the Olive scared me away, but I would say now
that I would still go with the SB even if money weren't an issue. Your
Mileage (and/or Money) May Vary.

-Ken

[abdomen]

- Screen size.
- Flexibilty.
- Features continuously added.
- Pandora (if you haven't tried it, take a minute and go call it up in
your browser now!). http://www.slimdevices.com/dev_pandora.html

[gobikey]

Short, dirty story: (longer one with details to follow)

Do not buy the first generation Musica. It is buggy, and the features
are far more restricted than advertised.

Olive sent me two faulty units. The first failed to boot (and could
not be re-imaged), and the second had a faulty CD player. Besides
these warrantied, returnable issues, there are major issues with
stability and functionality. The OS crashed or froze often. The
networking was unreliable and often dropped or failed to connect (I
used my network diagnostic tools to investigate). You CANNOT retrieve
files once they have been written to the Musica's hard drive! (at
least not without buying their proprietary external backup hard drive)
Olive claims that you can attach your mp3 player to the Musica. The
Musica will not recognize any mp3 player or other device that connects
as a hard drive (like my iRiver or most mp3 players). It will only
recognize "iTunes" players (iPods).


Longer version: (still writing it...)

[joncourage]

I'm not sure I get the value proposition of the Olive stuff,
particularly for a crowd that would even consider the SB.

It appears to me to basically be a computer in an audio-component
form-factor with a built-in DAC of implied higher quality than a
typical soundcard, with digital and RCA stereo outs. While
well-executed, the concept appears to be a bit half-baked to me.

(I'm not sure I see what the Musica does for me other than operate as a
dedicated computer/music server?)

The main reason I wouldn't be interested is the proprietary nature of
the operating system and hardware.

Control over storage hardware choices and scalability/flexibility and
control over my music collection - the whole ripping and tagging
process as well as backup (and portability), are vital to me and I
believe critical parts of a digitized music strategy.

The physical design of the Musica sure is sharp tho.

[pedalvet]

I'm not concerned about hard drive noise, as my stereo actually is in a
different room from the speakers. For the same reason, I don't worry
about the size of the display (I'll be standing in front of the unit
when I use it). This actually brings up one of my major concerns: I
wish there were some controls on the front of the SB3, as I'd rather
not have to use the remote. I really like the jog wheels on the
Musica.

I've just been playing with Pandora though, and this may be what seals
the deal for me. Tons of fun!

[abdomen]

Post by pedalvet
I'm not concerned about hard drive noise, as my stereo actually is in a
different room from the speakers. For the same reason, I don't worry
about the size of the display (I'll be standing in front of the unit
when I use it)....

In that case, potential food for thought: If you wish at a later date
to add the ability to fully control your music without leaving the room
the speakers are in, with Squeezebox you can do so using about any
wifi-enabled laptop/PDA/gizmo.

[gobikey]

Post by gobikey
Short, dirty story: (longer one with details to follow)
Do not buy the first generation Musica. It is buggy, and the features
are far more restricted than advertised.
Olive sent me two faulty units. The first failed to boot (and could
not be re-imaged), and the second had a faulty CD player. Besides
these warrantied, returnable issues, there are major issues with
stability and functionality. The OS crashed or froze often. The
networking was unreliable and often dropped or failed to connect (I
used my network diagnostic tools to investigate). You CANNOT retrieve
files once they have been written to the Musica's hard drive! (at
least not without buying their proprietary external backup hard drive)
Olive claims that you can attach your mp3 player to the Musica. The
Musica will not recognize any mp3 player or other device that connects
as a hard drive (like my iRiver or most mp3 players). It will only
recognize "iTunes" players (iPods).
Longer version: (still writing it...)

Longer version: (Sorry that it's a bit of a flame to Olive)

I am a network engineer with research time and without many expenses.
My system so far consists of a Krell 400xi amp and Vienna Acoustics
Beethoven speakers, Audioquest Diamondback interconnects, high-end
speaker cables and power regenerator, etc. I wanted a decent CD
transport and a way to play my ogg and flac files without needing to
use my noisy computer. I did a fair amount of research and ordered the
Musica, 2nd day air, Nov 15, 05.

Delivery issues - After not receiving the tracking number by email, I
called into support. They said the Musica was out of stock for another
month or so. (doh! I wish they had stated that on the online order
page.) I asked for the 2nd day air option to be cancelled, and I
waited. They charged me for 2nd day air anyway a month later when it
was available but then refunded the extra charges when I called again.


Weak Networking - The Musica arrived at my work, and I attempted to set
up the networking. The networking options were not as robust as most
generic wireless routers on the market today, but they *may* be
sufficient for the Musica to be used as a wireless client, not as a
configurable wireless LAN bridge. After configuration changes and
testing, I feel that the wireless functionality is VERY unreliable. I
have network diagnostic tools at my disposal which rule out other
points of failure. (This conclusion was made after testing both Musica
units.)

After approx 45 min of checking out the network capabilities, I
restarted the Musica, but it froze at the boot-up logo screen. I
followed directions to reload the OS from CD, but the process failed to
fix the boot-up problem. I worked unsuccessfully with Olive support for
about an hour to re-image the Musica. They said that the hard drive
must be faulty and asked me to return the unit for repairs.

I returned the unit late Dec and received a new one mid-January. An
Olive rep told me that the returned unit worked after being re-imaged.
(Thanks, that's nice. o.O )

After playing the Musica at home and testing the various functions, I
found several shortcomings.

CD player issues - The CD tranport and DAC were actually pretty good.
It was the best sound I had heard out of my system up until that point.
Problem... Many CDs could not be played. I tried CDs from my
collection and found that approximately 1 out of 10 CDs (purchased
"new" within the last two months, no marks or scratches whatsoever)
failed to play. I could hear parts of the songs which would randomly
pause every second or two and were mixed with severe digital noise.
Again, these were new (recently unwrapped) CDs from reputable record
labels.. ie. Emperor Norton Records - Lost In Translation Soundtrack,
Capitol Records - Mazzy Star - Among My Swan... When I attempted to
play one of these, I had to power off the Musica (hard power off)
because the OS would freeze. Those CDs could be played perfectly with
other CD players.

Remote Incompatability - Use of the Musica's remote control did not
work in my sound system because I have a Krell amplifier. The remote
codes interfere with each other. For example, the volume up on the
Musica remote triggered the volume down of the Krell. Track forward on
the Musica remote changed the Krell input to "tape". Approximately half
of the remote buttons for either component caused a configuration change
on the other component. There is no way to change the IR signals to a
different set of codes. (It is amusing to note that a Krell amplifier
is displayed with the Musica in the Musica datasheet.
(http://olive.us/p_images/download/musica_datasheet.pdf)

iPods only! - The Musica would not recognize my iRiver H120 mp3 player.
This is because iRiver mp3 players connect as an external hard drive
(as do many mp3 players) in order to update. After speaking with Olive
support, I found that no external drive device will be recognized. Only
iTunes native players can connect. (awesome! should have been noted in
the marketing materials)

"Hard Drive" is a black hole - Files copied to the Musica cannot be
retrieved without Olive's proprietary external backup hard drive. They
can only be accessed by the Musica or via UPnP streaming clients. Here
is an excerpt from an email from Olive Support. "Right now you can
only copy music from a PC/Mac onto the music center, not the other way
around. This is due to copyright concerns mentioned by the music
industry." (The RIAA)

There were other nuisances less critical than these (such as the poor
fast forward control and general instability), but these issues were
enough to make me want to set the unit on fire. I did return it, and I
was charged a %15 restocking fee (talked them down from %20) because I
had scratched the unit. (no, not from trying to set it on fire.)

I *was* impressed by the Olive customer support's availability and
desire to help. The CD player sounded good when it worked. In short,
The designed functionality of the Musica was too ambitious, and the
execution fell far short of an audiophile component *or* a geek toy.
If I had a "fully functioning" Musica, I would still return it due to
design restrictions.

; (

[pedalvet]

Hmm. Sounds like a pretty bad experience with the Musica, thanks for
making the effort to document your difficulties for us. I'm leaning
more and more strongly toward the SB3!

[abdomen]

I'm all over that! Sounds like my Treo might be able to control a
Sqeezebox. If that really works, I think I'm sold. Time to search
these boards some more.

If your Treo has WiFi and a browser, you should be set. If not, you may
want to post your model and feature details (OS version/presence of WiFi
and/or BlueTooth) and see what solutions folks may be using with the
same or similar device.

[Pale Blue Ego]

Post by gobikey
Longer version: (Sorry that it's a bit of a flame to Olive)

Wow, your story gave me a flashback to the year 2000 when I was
debugging the first-ever network component player, the AudioRequest.
There were endless problems and glitches, including a proprietary OS
partition that would get corrupted upon hard reboot (not good in
Florida where we get thunderstorms almost daily in the summer).

The sound chip in the original model was so bad (I think it was rated
at 40-12000 hz or something) that every unit was recalled for an audio
chip upgrade after several bad national reviews panning the sound
quality.

The 17GB hard drive was laughably small, the CD info lookup was flaky
and inaccurate, the mp3 encoders were average at best, the Windows
software was extremely buggy, file transfers to and from the player
were maddeningly slow, the system bogged down with anything resembling
a large collection (though adding more RAM usually helped). In short,
it was barely beta-quality.

AudioRequest eventually addressed most of these complaints, but the
price of the units jumped from $800 to multi-thousand dollars (even
funnier is the pricing structure, like $3000 for a 120GB model, $4500
for a 200GB model - only difference is the slightly larger hard
drive!)

Post by gobikey
From your tales of the Olive Musica, it seems that these all-in-one

units are still suffering from some of the same problems. The Slim
philosophy of de-coupling the player from the CPU/OS/storage is
extremely elegant. No need to re-invent the wheel when CPUs, drives,
ripping and tagging schemes, etc are so cheap, flexible, and constantly
evolving.

[joncourage]

Post by gobikey
From your tales of the Olive Musica, it seems that these all-in-one
units are still suffering from some of the same problems. The Slim
philosophy of de-coupling the player from the CPU/OS/storage is
extremely elegant. No need to re-invent the wheel when CPUs, drives,
ripping and tagging schemes, etc are so cheap, flexible, and constantly
evolving.

Yes, exactly! Well said.

[gobikey]

Post by joncourage
Yes, exactly! Well said.

agreed. ; )

side note: today, my refund was processed, and it was quite a bit less
than the %15 difference they had stated.... i wrote to find out why.
o.O

i also looked up the names of the management. their previous venture
was formac.us which has a bad name with the BBB for ripping off
customers. shaith! /rant

i'm very happy with my sb3

[gobikey]

Post by gobikey
side note: today, my refund was processed, and it was quite a bit less
than the %15 difference they had stated.... i wrote to find out why.
o.O ...

update: still hadn't heard back from Olive about an $253.05 unexplained
difference in my refund until today. i got this. must have been an
internal message mistakenly sent to me. i'm still laughing.

- - -
From: Sales <ocr-***@public.gmane.org>
Date: Mar 2, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: rma
To: (my name and email)

should i tell him to go F--k himself? this is the jackass who wrote the
horrible review

Post by gobikey
I haven't heard back from anyone about this. Please clear up the

recent billing mistake and the shipping billing error from months ago.

Post by gobikey
(my name)

- - -

i guess they read my cnet review. ; )
--
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[snarlydwarf]

hahaha, okay that tops robin's mispost last night.

[CardinalFang]

Post by gobikey
i'm still laughing.

That's the kind of email error that can kill product lines. If that
turned up in a magazine of newspaper it could do a lot of harm to their
reputation. I guess you could always forward it to the parent German
company...

[dwc]

Wow Gobikey, looks like you have a bit of leverage at this point... Use
it.

-Dan

[radish]

You know, I have a feeling that email may get around a little :)

[rajacat]

Post by gobikey
update: still hadn't heard back from Olive about an $253.05 unexplained
difference in my refund until today. i got this. must have been an
internal message mistakenly sent to me. i'm still laughing.
- - -
Date: Mar 2, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: rma
To: (my name and email)
should i tell him to go F--k himself? this is the jackass who wrote the
horrible review

Post by gobikey
I haven't heard back from anyone about this. Please clear up the

recent billing mistake and the shipping billing error from months ago.

Post by gobikey
(my name)

- - -
i guess they read my cnet review. ; )

OT.... How is the mdhtlabs Paradiso DAC sounding compared the the stock
and/or modded SB3?

[larsth]

I looked at the German version of Olive
(http://www.hermstedt.de/english/hifidelio/hifidelio.html) before
deciding on SB. The showstopper for me regarding the Olive/Hifidelio is
that you do not have free access to the music/data on the device. If you
rip music on it, you cannot copy that to your own hard disk (wihtout
hacking the box)! You even have to buy a back-up hard disk from them -
you cannot connect a standard USB disk.

[brookheather]

Post by larsth
I looked at the German version of Olive
(http://www.hermstedt.de/english/hifidelio/hifidelio.html) before
deciding on SB. The showstopper for me regarding the Olive/Hifidelio is
that you do not have free access to the music/data on the device. If you
rip music on it, you cannot copy that to your own hard disk (wihtout
hacking the box)! You even have to buy a back-up hard disk from them -
you cannot connect a standard USB disk.

You can access the ripped music files - you just have to telnet on to
the box and change the Samba configuration file to expose the
/audio/music directory - you can then copy them off as you wish - or
you could even have a SlimServer running on it to connect a Squeezebox
- this is what I am doing.

- Simon.

[Osamede]

Post by larsth
I looked at the German version of Olive
(http://www.hermstedt.de/english/hifidelio/hifidelio.html) before
deciding on SB. The showstopper for me regarding the Olive/Hifidelio is
that you do not have free access to the music/data on the device. If you
rip music on it, you cannot copy that to your own hard disk (wihtout
hacking the box)! You even have to buy a back-up hard disk from them -
you cannot connect a standard USB disk.

Does the remain the same today for these units (Musica/Symponhy?)

[firedog]

If anyone is interested:

FYI at the Olive forum:

http://musicahacks.informe.com/index.php

There are hacks that (1)allow one to view/copy music files on the Olive
- I've done it and it works.

(2) explain how to switch the internal HD for a new/larger HD. Haven't
tried this.

(3) Again, with the new firmware the Olive allows use of external USB
or NAS hard drives as additional storage space which are integrated as
usable folders in the on board interface. In other words, you can use
the Olive as the interface for serving music from these sources.

[firedog]

Hi-

The SB3 and the Olive aren't meant to address exactly the same market.
I've got experience with both.

The Olive is meant to give high quality digital audio to someone who
doesn't want to integrate a PC into their audio setup - that is, a
digital music hub as independent stereo system component. Basically,
w/out a PC and without any knowledge of ripping, you can stick a CD in
an Olive and it will automatically rip in the format you want to the
Olive's HD and tag the files. Literally as easy as placing the CD in
the unit.

In playback it functions in much the same way as an iPod. It can also
double as the CD player/transport of your audio system and stream
internet radio, all without a PC.

The SB3 (and transporter) are more in the niche for someone who has a
lot of music on ripped to a PC (or NAS) and wants access to it - both
in other rooms and to the stereo system.

To clear up some out of date information:

1. The Olive can also be multi-room over an its own WAN (there is even
a special add on device for mulitroom access.)

2. In addition, the new firmware (installable by direct download to the
unit) allows for connection of both USB and NAS HDD (either directly to
the Olive or over a home network), so HDD space is no longer an issue.

3. Files can be moved over your network to and from the Olive, but
copying files from the Olive to PC is possible only during an
intermediate stage when files are first ripped, not after they have
gone through final import into the system.

4. I listen using the Olive sitting about 1 foot from it. I don't hear
any noise when playing files from the HD, only when inserting a CD.

Finally, the Olive also allows for direct recording of analogue
sources, which are digitized and recorded to its HDD. I've used it to
record about 100 LP's and it does a great job. The recordings are
excellent (using the built in level control and it's default settings)
and the software also does a good job of splitting the LP into
individual tracks.

Each unit has its advantages and disadvantages.
I think the most important issue when deciding between the 2 types of
systems is the issue of whether you do or don't want your music
listening to be PC dependent. For those who don't have problems
including a PC in the audio equation, the SB3 and Transporter are
probably a better solution. For those with a desire to eliminate the
PC from their audio system, the Olive is probably a better choice.

Thanks,
Danny

[slimkid]

Post by firedog
Hi-
...
Each unit has its advantages and disadvantages.
I think the most important issue when deciding between the 2 types of
systems is the issue of whether you do or don't want your music
listening to be PC dependent. For those who don't have problems
including a PC in the audio equation, the SB3 and Transporter are
probably a better solution. For those with a desire to eliminate the
PC from their audio system, the Olive is probably a better choice.
Thanks,
Danny

While this kind of product should give Slimedevices some idea what
needs to be done to the product in order to tackle other markets, I
have hard time imagining that process of ripping and tagging can be
fully automated without seriously suffering in the quality of outcome.
My experience with using EAC and whatever it connects to on the
Internet in order to get missing tags or DBpoweramp with its tagging
capabilities is that there's no way that anything automatic could do a
semi-decent job without seriously invoving Mp3tag and doing a lot of
legwork. So, I'm thinking, if people can't be botheres to get involved
in that part of process, they probably don't care for any other tag but
album and track name.

[Pale Blue Ego]

Right, the fallacy of Gracenote and FreeDB is there can never be one
source and scheme that suits everybody. You'll either be stuck with
somebody else's version of reality [Genre = Shoegaze] - WTF??? or
you'll have to do lots of research and manual editing.

The thing is, as collections grow and become more essential as personal
listening sources, the old adage of "garbage in, garbage out" rears its
head: "I know Billie Holiday died in 1959 - so why does this track
have a year tag of 2001?"

Tags and tagging schemes become personal choices, mini-religions, even.
So a library with inaccurate tags, or tags that don't reflect the
owner's way of thinking, are often worse than useless.

[firedog]

When ripping a CD, the Olive reads the info off the CD. Works quite well
and generally gives the user the info needed.

When reading files that were ripped somewhere else and imported, it
reads the existing tags. So results depend on source.

The resulting tags can also be changed with the onboard interface
(cumbersome), or through the browser based interface if you network the
device with a PC. The browser interface is quite convenient and the
newer versions work well.

The advantage here is that you can "tag" files so they appear with the
desired info in the onboard display, even when they are in formats
(e.g. wav) that don't have actual tags.

So tagging isn't a serious issue. Again, the unit is designed for
people who don't want to get involved in these kind of computer based
issues (such as installing and using different software products such
as rippers and taggers). In this it does a good job. It really is a
"insert your CD, it will be ripped and tagged automatically" unit.

Most Slim devices owners are more PC centric and have no problem (or
prefer) working with a PC based option, including installing software
and converting files. My guess is that most wouldn't want to give up
"control" to a device like the Olive, even though it is convenient and
can be set to do what you want it to. If you're the type that wants to
control settings and tagging in EAC or dbpoweramp and an MP3 tagger,
then it isn't the unit for you.

Thanks again

[cliveb]

Post by firedog
When ripping a CD, the Olive reads the info off the CD. Works quite well
and generally gives the user the info needed.

Audio CDs without CD-Text simply don't have this information on them. I
can say for sure that the vast majority of the CDs in my collection have
no CD-Text on them. So how does the Olive read data from the CD when
it's not there?

[CardinalFang]

Post by cliveb
Audio CDs without CD-Text simply don't have this information on them. I
can say for sure that the vast majority of the CDs in my collection
have no CD-Text on them. So how does the Olive read data from the CD
when it's not there?

I thought it had a built-in database of CDs and used that for tagging.

[MelonMonkey]

At the price and positioning of the product as easy to use, they must be
licensing the CDDB and storing it on the built-in HD. There would likely
be some way to update periodically as has been featured with numerous
products before it (including the Rio Server).
--
MelonMonkey

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[cliveb]

Post by CardinalFang
I thought it had a built-in database of CDs and used that for tagging.
Built-in database with 2,000,0000 tracks to recognize and tag CDs.
Updateable via the Internet.

So if you try to load a CD that isn't in the database - even after
updating it (from Gracenote, perhaps?) - what happens?

[firedog]

If you really don't succeed any other way, you can tag files over the
browser based interface

[swhite58]

Speaking of all-in-one units like the Olive, does anyone have any
experience of the Cambridge Audio offering? Just curious.

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=39&Title=Azur+640H

[Nostromo]

At first, I considered buying the Azur 640H Music Server. And then I saw
the price... ;-) They could include a beefier hard drive for that price,
no? 160 GB is on the small side. Fortunately, I then found out about the
Squeezebox. The rest is history... :-)

There's also a similar product by McIntosh, BTW.

[NauticusLX]

The day I received the SB I knew there was no going back. It's changed
my listening habits entirely, and expanded my musical sense. This
device in particular is easy to use, is customizeable, very attractive,
is completely reliable, and worthwhile even if 90% of all music stations
were shut down due to royalty issues (bite my tongue). Fortunately AM
stations that broadcast on the net are immune from this threat, since
they're mostly talk. The SB has brought a degree of joy to my life.

[ceirj1879]

Hi
I have Olive musica device, it worked great about last 10 years and I
enjoyed my music until last sunday. Something went wrong with the
electric system in my house. After shutdown my Olive musica device
doesn't starting. I moved several times for last 10 years and I think I
lost the recovery cd. Could somebody help me in this case? I need the
recovery CD for my Olive musica. Can I buy it somewhere or download
somewhere. Please help me. Thanks before


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[Man in a van]

Is this any help?

http://www.myoliveone.com/

I was sooooooooooooooooooo tempted to LMGTFY :) but being as it is your
first post and I don't know what connection the product ever had with
Logitech Media Server, I'll you off this time :p.


ronnie


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