Logitech Transporter for sale

[dennis55]

hi folks,well i went and done it....................bought a Linn
Akurate DS streamer

so far so good,i am enjoying the new DS, but struggling a wee bit on the
software side of things

SqweezyDS helps but it's no SqueezeServer :)

my Black Original Transporter is up for sale (unmarked and original box
etc)

looking for $500 ono

contact me here or via dennis31255-***@public.gmane.org

cheers


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[ralphpnj]

Post by dennis55
hi folks,well i went and done it....................bought a Linn
Akurate DS streamer
so far so good,i am enjoying the new DS, but struggling a wee bit on the
software side of things
SqweezyDS helps but it's no SqueezeServer :)
my Black Original Transporter is up for sale (unmarked and original box
etc)
looking for $500 ono
cheers

You are forgiven, after all you are in Scotland!


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[jh901]

Post by dennis55
hi folks,well i went and done it....................bought a Linn
Akurate DS streamer
so far so good,i am enjoying the new DS,
cheers

I'd expect the Linn to have provided quite an upgrade on sound quality.
What is your early impression?

Amazing, though, how Squeezebox is so easy to use even to this day. How
hard could it be to replicate what Slimdevices came up with so many
years ago!?


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[Julf]

Post by jh901
I'd expect the Linn to have provided quite an upgrade on sound quality.

I think that is called "expectation bias" :)


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[jh901]

Post by Julf
I think that is called "expectation bias" :)

Sure, in the same way that I'd expect a Porsche 911 to outperform a
Camry. Of course, the proof of the pudding will be in the driving. Or
in the case of audio, the listening. I sure hope some of you have had
the experience of an upgrade that results in a mad tear through the
music collection to enjoy how incredible everything sounds.


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Post by jh901
Sure, in the same way that I'd expect a Porsche 911 to outperform a
Camry.

Clearly we are not talking about reliability, maintenance cost or
carrying capacity... :)


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[jh901]

Post by Julf
Clearly we are not talking about reliability, maintenance cost or
carrying capacity... :)

Reliability? Please.

Let's hear from the OP. Hope he's enjoying the new kit.


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[azinck3]

It comes with a bigger price tag which can ONLY be justified by
improvements in all areas of fidelity.

It is this assumption that keeps many (most?) companies that market to
so-called audiophiles in business.

I'm not saying the Linn does or doesn't provide superior audio quality
to the Transporter. But the MSRP does not prove anything at all.

And yes, putting my cards on the table: I'm one who believes that
digital source components cannot be audibly differentiated in
double-blind testing.


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[Mnyb]

The Linn thingies are also DAC's not only transports , if you want a DAC
too ,not that I disagree with azink3 ,but these are not only transports
.

But I would be more interested in the usability differences, there is
not many here that have acess to multiple streamers of different brands
. there is an iOS app too ?
Good info to have in the future .

Can we assume that the linn streamers works the same ( interface and all
) even the simpler models , in the future a new digital streamers is
needed for me too but I don't need good analog outs only digital .


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Post by Mnyb
The Linn thingies are also DAC's not only transports , if you want a DAC
too ,not that I disagree with azink3 ,but these are not only transports
.
But I would be more interested in the usability differences, there is
not many here that have acess to multiple streamers of different brands
. there is an iOS app too ?
Good info to have in the future .
Can we assume that the linn streamers works the same ( interface and all
) even the simpler models , in the future a new digital streamers is
needed for me too but I don't need good analog outs only digital .

I agree that DACs make a difference. I also agree that I would be
interested to hear about usability differences between the products.


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[dennis55]

ralphpnj,yes i live next door to the Linn factory here in
Waterfoot...........

very happy with the DS so far folks

i had demos of the early DS lineup 3/4 years ago and decided to keep my
Transporter,at the time they (DS); had no radio
capability.............which was the deciding factor.

the present DS lineup had had a marked improvement,it's hard to quantify
the audio differences after such a short time.

it's almost like running in a new more expensive stylus........your
attention is suddenly drawn to something in a musical passage and you
THOUGHT you knew so well.................

the overall musical impression is excellent and the software front-end
from either my Galaxy Note or Ipad 2 is getting better......i have the
best of both controls from Android and Apple i.e BubbleDS,Minim or Linn
Kinsky.

it IS an expensive piece of equipment,but the ends justify the
means..........so we all keep telling each other :)

Sean's Transporter was a one off,more's the pity....... Transporter 2
would have been even better i'm sure,but i have enjoyed listening to
more and varied music thanks to that creation of his.

must get my Cat6e installed soon,i'm presently using a fancy gadget
(ASUS EA-N66); which is in use as a wireless/Ethernet adaptor.

cheers

dennis


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[garym]

Post by dennis55
ralphpnj,yes i live next door to the Linn factory here in
Waterfoot...........
very happy with the DS so far folks
i had demos of the early DS lineup 3/4 years ago and decided to keep my
Transporter,at the time they (DS); had no radio
capability.............which was the deciding factor.
the present DS lineup had had a marked improvement,it's hard to quantify
the audio differences after such a short time.
it's almost like running in a new more expensive stylus........your
attention is suddenly drawn to something new and different in a musical
passage that you THOUGHT you knew so well.................
the overall musical impression is excellent and the software front-end
from either my Galaxy Note or Ipad 2 is getting better......i have the
best of both controls from Android and Apple i.e BubbleDS,Minim or Linn
Kinsky.
it IS an expensive piece of equipment,but the ends justify the
means..........so we all keep telling each other :)
Sean's Transporter was a one off,more's the pity....... Transporter 2
would have been even better i'm sure,but i have enjoyed listening to
more and varied music thanks to that creation of his.
must get my Cat6e installed soon,i'm presently using a fancy gadget
(ASUS EA-N66); which is in use as a wireless/Ethernet adaptor.
cheers
dennis

so you have a way of streaming internet radio. Curious: How about
services that require accounts (Pandora, spotify, MOG, SiriusXM, etc.).
I'm primarily interested in streaming my own music files, but my wife is
a heavy user of internet radio and various services, particularly
SiriusXM for some of their public radio stations. I'd hate to have to
have one system for my music and one for other stuff....


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[ralphpnj]

Post by dennis55
ralphpnj,yes i live next door to the Linn factory here in
Waterfoot...........
cheers
dennis

Right next door. Have you ever found anything good in the trash bins
over at the Linn factory, maybe like an old LP 12 or something similar?

Anyway it would be nice if there was a way to use the Squeezebox Sever
or LMS with other manufacturers music streaming devices such as the Linn
DS line of streamers. The old Slimdevices way of dealing with streaming
is still one of the better ways of handling streaming and remains way
ahead of the various DNLA/UPnP/etc. methods in terms of useability and
ease of use. And unlike Apple TV the Logitech streamers play all
formats, including FLAC.


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[jh901]

Great point about Transporter 2. I guess the aftermarket analog stage
mods are it. Would be sweet if Slimdevices made a comeback with a
better Dac, much better power supply and analog stage!

Glad the OP is enjoying the upgrade so far. Typically tons of fun and a
bit of anxiety. I remember going from the Duet to the Transporter.
Good times!! The Transporter should go up there with the most ground
breaking audiophile devices of the past 20 years.


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[dennis55]

Ralph,never even thought about raking thru' Linn's bins :)

there is a Plugin called SkweezyDS which kinda works with
Logitechmediaserver,but i much prefer using an Android app called
BubbleDS from my mobile and Linn Kinsky with an Ipad

just as a postscript to the main article, the hi-res stuff on 192/24 bit
is amazing..........expensive but still startlingly good.

Linn have their own recording/record label stuff which can be a wee bit
esoteric

i have purchased a hi-res download of Hector Berlioz's Symphonie
Fantastique from Linn and the detail is stunning @£18 it ain't cheap!

dennis

Post by ralphpnj
Right next door. Have you ever found anything good in the trash bins
over at the Linn factory, maybe like an old LP 12 or something similar?
Anyway it would be nice if there was a way to use the Squeezebox Sever
or LMS with other manufacturers music streaming devices such as the Linn
DS line of streamers. The old Slimdevices way of dealing with streaming
is still one of the better ways of handling streaming and remains way
ahead of the various DNLA/UPnP/etc. methods in terms of useability and
ease of use. And unlike Apple TV the Logitech streamers play all
formats, including FLAC.

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[jh901]

Follow up with additional listening impressions!

Hope you have the original RCA label Bowie CDs released in Europe in the
mid-80s (Space Oddity thru Scary). Some excellent mastering work that
many don't know about.


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[ralphpnj]

Post by jh901
Follow up with additional listening impressions!
Hope you have the original RCA label Bowie CDs released in Europe in the
mid-80s (Space Oddity thru Scary). Some excellent mastering work that
many don't know about.

Any chance you might be able to post the catalog numbers for those Bowie
releases?


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Post by ralphpnj
Any chance you might be able to post the catalog numbers for those Bowie
releases?

Sure. Here they are in order of cat#:

Station To Station PD81327
Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps) PD83647
Low PD83856
"Heroes" PD83857
Diamond Dogs PD83889
Lodger PD84234
Hunky Dory PD84623
The Man Who Sold the World PD84654
The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars PD84702
Space Oddity PD84813

^These are all CDs pressed by Polygram in West Germany on the RCA label
for issuance to the European market back in the mid-80s. The discs were
all aluminum (no plastic center hub) and the label design is sort of a
silver sunburst.


Note there was never a Polygram pressing of Aladdin Sane or Pin Ups
(Denon of Japan for Europe). You will want the CSR (Japan) pressing of
Aladdin Sane issued to the US market at the time, which is
cat#PCD1-4852. Pin Ups is also a CSR pressing and is cat#PCD1-0291.
The US issued RCA CDs back in the day had a blue circle label design.
An expert CD collector could track down most of these above in maybe 3
months with some luck and a good sized budget.

And now, back on topic....


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Post by jh901
Station To Station PD81327
Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps) PD83647
Low PD83856
"Heroes" PD83857
Diamond Dogs PD83889
Lodger PD84234
Hunky Dory PD84623
The Man Who Sold the World PD84654
The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars PD84702
Space Oddity PD84813
^These are all CDs pressed by Polygram in West Germany on the RCA label
for issuance to the European market back in the mid-80s. The discs were
all aluminum (no plastic center hub) and the label design is sort of a
silver sunburst.
Note there was never a Polygram pressing of Aladdin Sane or Pin Ups
(Denon of Japan for Europe). You will want the CSR (Japan) pressing of
Aladdin Sane issued to the US market at the time, which is
cat#PCD1-4852. Pin Ups is also a CSR pressing and is cat#PCD1-0291.
The US issued RCA CDs back in the day had a blue circle label design.
An expert CD collector could track down most of these above in maybe 3
months with some luck and a good sized budget.
And now, back on topic....

Thanks! I'll be on the lookout for these CDs. We may have our slight
disagreements but all in all I can clearly see that you are truly
concerned about hearing the music in the best possible way. And like me,
you seem to have a pretty thick skin.


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[toby10]

.......... The Linn will have a better power supply, better analog
circuitry, better DAC chip implementation, better jitter handling, etc.
It comes with a bigger price tag which can ONLY be justified by
improvements in all areas of fidelity. This is what being an audiophile
is about: the continuous pursuit of better fidelity.

Or so an audiophile assumes (an assumption the high end manufacturers
often rely on) ....

It is this assumption that keeps many (most?) companies that market to
so-called audiophiles in business.
I'm not saying the Linn does or doesn't provide superior audio quality
to the Transporter. But the MSRP does not prove anything at all....

Case in point the Oppo BD player rebadged as a Lexicon "high end" BD
player. How many audiophiles were duped into this name plate at 7x the
price when it is the same hardware? Paying a $3k premium for a name
(i.e. bling) is often just what they are counting on.


Oppo BDP-83 = $499 MSRP

Lexicon BD-30 = $3500 MSRP

http://www.slashgear.com/lexicon-bd-30-reviewed-an-oppo-bdp-83-at-7x-the-price-1870267/

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/transports/high-definition-dvd-players-hd-dvd-blu-ray/lexicon-bd-30-blu-ray-oppo-clone/oppo-inside-lexicon-outside-1


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Post by toby10
Oppo BDP-83 = $499 MSRP
Lexicon BD-30 = $3500 MSRP

The Lexicon will have a better power supply, better analog circuitry,
better DAC chip implementation, better jitter handling, etc. It comes
with a bigger price tag which can ONLY be justified by improvements in
all areas of fidelity. This is what being an audiophile is about.


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[Mnyb]

Now that we already blown Dennis55 tread to pieces ..... Sorry .

What about good enough power supply good enough mechanics and good
enough analog circuitry :) if you make it low distortion flat frequency
response and low noise it will be transparent to humans , the oppo is a
good example .

But things accumulate so making even better specs is not entirely
pointless seen in a whole system perpective , I'm just not buying the
premise that money always buys significantly better performance practice
shows that performance could be equal or worse in many cases .
And also build quality is a factor in this area some brands excell and
others don't ,but speaking of experience none of my cheap stuff fails
it is always the high end or mid-fi stuff ?

And there is the economics of scale if the market for Meridian hifi
where 100 time bigger my own hifi would probably cost 1/10 of what it
does , but would it get these rave reviews ;) No ( it would sound as
good as ever ).

But wait ,looking at it there is no actual evidence that high end
actually buys you better circuitry many products does not do better than
average and some considerably worse than for example oppo .
In fact in many cases the opposite ,the niche brands have to use smaller
series of older stuff .
and also factor in the usual expensive anachronism that gets the price
higher without getting you any performance .
Over doing the boxes cosmetically yes the box is the most expensive part
in some cases but the manufacturer would never admitt that .
Archaic expensive technology that performs worse aka vacuum tubes
besides there own shortcomings you also get expensive high voltage
supplies and a circuit with inheritly low power supply rejection ratio ,
when a cheap OP and more humble supply gets you better stuff at 1/1000
of the cost .

But back on topic besides being expensive Linn is not total hacks they
do real technology :) actually these days they have toned down some of
the jargon and silliness from yesteryears superficially they seems to
design according to established science and not to much voodo nowadays
.

So it may not be the rigth tread to discuss high end in genral this
tread caries a bit of spillover from another one we had .


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Post by dennis55
hi folks,well i went and done it....................bought a Linn
Akurate DS streamer
so far so good,i am enjoying the new DS, but struggling a wee bit on the
software side of things
SqweezyDS helps but it's no SqueezeServer :)
my Black Original Transporter is up for sale (unmarked and original box
etc)
looking for £500 ono
item now listed on Ebay UK
cheers

I am very interested in your experience with this Linn unit. I
currently use a Transporter. Just a few questions.

1. Is there a limit to the number of tracks that the software can
handle? I understand this is an issue with Sonos. I've currently got
48,070 tracks and that number is going to grow due to my addiction to
buying CDs!!!!!!

2. Some tracks have a different Track Artist and Album Artist. For
example with classical music, I use the Album Artist field for the
composer eg Mozart, and the Track Artist for the performer/orchestra, eg
Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra. With iPeng I can search on either Mozart
or Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra.
Does the Linn system allow you to search on both Track and Album
Artist?

3. Last FM. I use the Last FM plug in. Is there a way to scrobble to
Last FM with the Linn system?

4. I use and like the TrackStat plug in so I can analyse what tracks
and artists I've been playing. Does Linn offer anything like this.

5. Is there a wi-fi option? My computer and router are upstairs at the
front of the house and hi-fi system is downstairs at the back. Running
an Ethernet cable would be a bit awkward.


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I am very interested in your experience with this Linn unit. I
currently use a Transporter. Just a few questions.
1. Is there a limit to the number of tracks that the software can
handle? I understand this is an issue with Sonos. I've currently got
48,070 tracks and that number is going to grow due to my addiction to
buying CDs!!!!!!
2. Some tracks have a different Track Artist and Album Artist. For
example with classical music, I use the Album Artist field for the
composer eg Mozart, and the Track Artist for the performer/orchestra, eg
Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra. With iPeng I can search on either Mozart
or Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra.
Does the Linn system allow you to search on both Track and Album
Artist?
3. Last FM. I use the Last FM plug in. Is there a way to scrobble to
Last FM with the Linn system?
4. I use and like the TrackStat plug in so I can analyse what tracks
and artists I've been playing. Does Linn offer anything like this.
5. Is there a wi-fi option? My computer and router are upstairs at the
front of the house and hi-fi system is downstairs at the back. Running
an Ethernet cable would be a bit awkward.

Please note: I DO NOT own nor have I ever used any Linn DS product. I am
providing the information below strictly for information only.

That said, on the Linn web site I found a link to this page:
http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/SkweezyDs

According to the information given on this page using the SkweezyDs
allows one to use Squeezebox Server to control the Linn DS. That's all I
know.


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