[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC internal Noise reduction products

[arnyk]

Here are some-* interesting*- internal noise reduction products for your
PC ;-)

'Efidelity PC SNR enhancment for PCI bus'
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elfidelity-USB-Power-Source-PC-HiFi-Internal-USB-Power-Filter-Audio-upgrade-DIY/251894459437?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29007%26meid%3D69ed1d1444334927ac0994007a24f816%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251894388743&rt=nc)

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'EFidelity PC SNR Enahancment for USB Power'
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elfidelity-USB-Power-Source-PC-HiFi-Internal-USB-Power-Filter-Audio-upgrade-DIY/251894459437?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29007%26meid%3D69ed1d1444334927ac0994007a24f816%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251894388743&rt=nc)


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'EFidelity PC SNR Enhancement RAM Power Purifier'
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elfidelity-Power-purification-PC-HiFi-CPU-Memory-DDR3-2V-Power-Supply-Filter/251894650611?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29007%26meid%3Ddba1d6f1f3224ba6ae1289808d45602d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251894459437&rt=nc)

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etc.

Company web site (in Chinese)

'Efidelity Home Page' (http://www.elfidelity.com/team/)

Competitive Product

'HisDigital PC Video Noise Enhancment'
(http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-388.shtml)

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[Man in a van]

Post by arnyk
Here are some-* interesting*- internal noise reduction products for your
PC ;-)

What is your point?

Have you used these products or just being a shill?

Please explain as I would like to know.


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[arnyk]

Post by Man in a van
What is your point?

Please notice the winking smiley emoticon: ;-)

That means the post is not to be taken seriously.


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[Mnyb]

No linear supply with rectifier tubes for your pc ? ;)



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[bonze]

What are the burn in times on these?



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Post by arnyk
Please notice the winking smiley emoticon: ;-)
That means the post is not to be taken seriously.

Oh, that good then, as I didn't.

In the same vein, I offer,

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/aopentube/

atb

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[arnyk]

Post by Man in a van
Oh, that good then, as I didn't.
In the same vein, I offer,
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/aopentube/
.

A innovative product of a kind that came out in 2002 and appears to have
inspired no sequels.

The report you linked seems to have had the detailed results of
technical testing go missing,
however there are some comments:

"The noise level doesn't reveal noticeable pickups from high-voltage
circuits of the section"

"The AFCs for 50% and 100% volume levels coincide, the frequency
response is normal"

and

"The harmonic distortion level is 1..2% - it's typical of tube
equipment"

I'll dispute the last comment as a general statement, having designed
and built tubed equipment back in the day that performed far better than
that. However, for a simple dual triode stereo buffer this is about
what you get, depending on operating levels.


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Post by arnyk
A innovative product of a kind that came out in 2002 and appears to have
inspired no sequels.....

I almost picked that board up. Unfortunately, I had had so many
problems with the reliability of Aopen boards over the years that I took
a pass.


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[Mnyb]

Kind of reminndinds you of Luxmans integrated amps with a tube stage
somewhere , the tube was visible trough a small window in the front of
the amp :) was it in the early90's they did that ?



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[doctor_big]

Post by Man in a van
What is your point?
Have you used these products or just being a shill?
Please explain as I would like to know.

It's an objectivist circle jerk.. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Jason




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[Man in a van]

It's an objectivist circle_-*_jerk*-_.. Move along. Nothing to see
here.
Jason

_-*Noun_or_verb?*-_ :p

atb

ronnie


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[doctor_big]

Post by Man in a van
_-*Noun_or_verb?*-_ :p
atb
ronnie

Verb. Definitely a verb.

Jason


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[Mnyb]

It's an [ insert something ] circle jerk.. Move along. Nothing to see
here.
Jason

Is this not 95% of treads in any forum especially audioforums , endless
diskussions at full speed to nowhere 😎



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[doctor_big]

Post by Mnyb
Is this not 95% of treads in any forum especially audioforums , endless
diskussions at full speed to nowhere 😎

To some extent I do agree. However the moderators of this forum created
the "audiophiles" subform specifically so that audiophiles (whatever you
think of them) could discuss their audiophile stuff - power cords, DACS,
amps etc - without having to suffer the ridicule of objectivists.

But take a look - moments after some poor, unsuspecting audiophile posts
a question or observation regarding ANYTHING other than speakers or room
treatments, the same parade of humourless curmudgeons jumps in,
battering down the OP with post after post of borderline-insulting,
patronizing condescension-filled arguments. It's no wonder that this
sub-forum is a tumbleweed-filled wasteland. Its original purpose is
rendered mute.

It's the same group - some in fact, some in spirit - from the
rec.audio.high-end days, probably still sitting in their wood-paneled
basements, listening to Ohm speakers and Sansui amps run through zip
cord, because hey - ABX tests obscure any differences that could
possibly lead to a system improvement. Remember, if you can't measure
it, you DEFINITELY can't hear it.

They truly are men without cheer.

Jason


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Post by doctor_big
To some extent I do agree. However the moderators of this forum created
the "audiophiles" subform specifically so that audiophiles (whatever you
think of them) could discuss their audiophile stuff - power cords, DACS,
amps etc - without having to suffer the ridicule of objectivists.
But take a look - moments after some poor, unsuspecting audiophile posts
a question or observation regarding ANYTHING other than speakers or room
treatments, the same parade of humourless curmudgeons jumps in,
battering down the OP with post after post of borderline-insulting,
patronizing condescension-filled arguments. It's no wonder that this
sub-forum is a tumbleweed-filled wasteland. Its original purpose is
rendered mute.
It's the same group - some in fact, some in spirit - from the
rec.audio.high-end days, probably still sitting in their wood-paneled
basements, listening to Ohm speakers and Sansui amps run through zip
cord, because hey - ABX tests obscure any differences that could
possibly lead to a system improvement. Remember, if you can't measure
it, you DEFINITELY can't hear it.
They truly are men without cheer.
Jason

Jason, I do like your second paragraph, excellent prose! It really has a
flow to it.

Just like to add, that I don't consider myself as an objectivist (I'm
not very clever with technical stuff) and that I do hear differences
between some equipment, but as these differences are-* in my head*-, I
don't both much with telling folk about them.

(I had to look up Ohm speakers) :D

atb

Ronnie.


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Post by Man in a van
Jason, I do like your second paragraph, excellent prose! It really has a
flow to it.
Just like to add, that I don't consider myself as an objectivist (I'm
not very clever with technical stuff) and that I do hear differences
between some equipment, but as these differences are-* in my head*-, I
don't both much with telling folk about them.
(I had to look up Ohm speakers) :D
atb
Ronnie.

Thenk yew.

It's not so much the message I disagree with - to some extent. It's the
smug, self-congratulatory wanking-each-other-off arrogance in their tone
that gets under my skin.
Jason




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Post by doctor_big
To some extent I do agree. However the moderators of this forum created
the "audiophiles" subform specifically so that audiophiles (whatever you
think of them) could discuss their audiophile stuff - power cords, DACS,
amps etc - without having to suffer the ridicule of objectivists.
But take a look - moments after some poor, unsuspecting audiophile posts
a question or observation regarding ANYTHING other than speakers or room
treatments, the same parade of humourless curmudgeons jumps in,
battering down the OP with post after post of borderline-insulting,
patronizing condescension-filled arguments. It's no wonder that this
sub-forum is a tumbleweed-filled wasteland. Its original purpose is
rendered mute.
It's the same group - some in fact, some in spirit - from the
rec.audio.high-end days, probably still sitting in their wood-paneled
basements, listening to Ohm speakers and Sansui amps run through zip
cord, because hey - ABX tests obscure any differences that could
possibly lead to a system improvement. Remember, if you can't measure
it, you DEFINITELY can't hear it.
They truly are men without cheer.
Jason

I like to think of this little sub-section of the forum as a small
little island of refuse for audiophiles who no longer accept all the
pronouncements of the high end gods and seek to verify with reason and
good science the various claims made month after month in the pages of
those slick audio publications.

By the way, the internet is filled with web sites, blogs and forums
where the latest, greatest and most outlandish claims of audio nirvana
are swallowed whole and spit back with added layers of awe and wonder.

So just think of this little forum sub-section as a place where people
of love music and audio equipment can get together without all the magic
and voodoo that makes being an audiophile such a joke. Plus I would also
check the profiles of some of the active members of this sub-section,
there's not an Ohm speaker or Sansui amp to be found but rather lots of
well designed and proven good sounding equipment.



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And here's a question for these objectivists - Harmon are the only
speaker company, AFAIK, that have done DBTs on their speakers &
correlated listener preference with measurements (a set of 70 horizontal
& vertical measurements done in an anechoic chamber)

Any self-respecting objectivist would lavish scorn on all other speakers
that don't have this same set of undeniable empirical evidence that
Harmon provides for its speakers.

They lavish scorn on every other aspect of audio that doesn't have such
empirical evidence so why not on non-Harmon speakers?


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Post by jkeny
Any self-respecting objectivist would lavish scorn on all other speakers
that don't have this same set of undeniable empirical evidence that
Harmon provides for its speakers.

False.

Post by jkeny
They lavish scorn on every other aspect of audio that doesn't have such
empirical evidence

False.

I've explained the reasons why these claims are false to you in the past
on another forum John, and you were unable to comprehend the somewhat
lengthy explanation. I see no purpose in wasting this forum's time by
repeating the same futile effort.


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[RonM]

. . . Its original purpose is rendered mute.

If we're going to be picky, let's get our language right. I don't think
the intent was to render the purpose -silent- (mute), but to suggest it
was no longer relevant (moot).

http://grammarist.com/usage/moot-mute/



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Post by doctor_big
It's the same group - some in fact, some in spirit - from the
rec.audio.high-end days, probably still sitting in their wood-paneled
basements, listening to Ohm speakers and Sansui amps run through zip
cord, because hey - ABX tests obscure any differences that could
possibly lead to a system improvement. Remember, if you can't measure
it, you DEFINITELY can't hear it.

Ah, yes, now we are on familiar ground - "if you can't respond to
factual issues, you can at least try to belittle the people you disagree
with".



"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953
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[SBGK]

Post by Julf
Ah, yes, now we are on familiar ground - "if you can't respond to
factual issues, you can at least try to belittle the people you disagree
with".

sense of humour failure, Julf ?



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Post by SBGK
sense of humour failure, Julf ?

Yes, I think the people who are compelled to demean people who share
opinions and facts that attack their comfort areas, with statements
like:

"It's the same group - some in fact, some in spirit - from the
rec.audio.high-end days, probably still sitting in their wood-paneled
basements, listening to Ohm speakers and Sansui amps run through zip
cord, because hey - ABX tests obscure any differences that could
possibly lead to a system improvement. Remember, if you can't measure
it, you DEFINITELY can't hear it."

are funnier than all get out. ROTFLMAO! There is a lot of other funny
stuff in his recent spew but its too much work to make a compendium of
it.

Reality is:

I was once a strong force behind the objectivist viewpoint at
rec.audio.high-end .

I once owned a trio of Ohm F speakers and they were the centerpiece of
my prime listening system (along with an 18" subwoofer).

When I was in the Army like 100,000's of others I was once a regular
listener of an audio system that was centerpieced by a Sansui amp that
was connected to Pioneer speakers with zip cord.

So the guy was 100% right on about who I was in 1968 (Sansui amp, zip
cord), 1978 (Ohm F's), and 1998 (rec.audio.high-end).

However, the wood-paneled basement is 100% a fabrication of his
imagination, perhaps even autobiographical. Too many coincidences - he
probably lurked on rec.audio.high-end, afraid to post and have his ideas
examined in the light of science as he appears to be now.

I've changed my system many times since then, but maybe he has not!


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This "audiophile" forum has been a joke for a long time. And now here
comes Arny. Figures. Like a fly to shit.


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Post by JJZolx
This "audiophile" forum has been a joke for a long time. And now here
comes Arny. Figures. Like a fly to shit.

I agree completely - many of the regulars on this "audiophile" forum
would indeed be considered fools on most "normal" audiophile forums
since we have mostly stopped drinking the audiophile kool-aid and are
more than willing to shout out to world "Hey look, the emperor has no
clothes".



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[arnyk]

Post by JJZolx
This "audiophile" forum has been a joke for a long time. And now here
comes Arny. Figures. Like a fly to shit.

If you look at the actual timing of things, what attracted me to this
forum was Archimago's Blog thread about his Internet Blind Test - Linear
versus Minimum Phase Filters post. If you have been following the
action you will noitice that we share an common interest which is
internet listening tests.

Now if you want to call Archimago's Blog $#!^, then please be my guest
but please have the courtesy to do it to his face! ;-) Notice that I'm
not his fan, employee or shill. We just have a common interest. Is that
evil?

As far as the Uptone Audio Regen thread goes, my post followed his
post.

Now if there is something wrong with following up on Archimago's blog
and postings is an evil thing to do, I'm guilty as charged! ;-)


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Post by arnyk
If you look at the actual timing of things, what attracted me to this
forum was Archimago's Blog thread about his Internet Blind Test - Linear
versus Minimum Phase Filters post. If you have been following the
action you will noitice that we share an common interest which is
internet listening tests.
Furthermore, Archimago came over to a forum where I'm a regular, and
invited us to take an interest in his test.
Now if you want to call Archimago's Blog $#!^, then please be my guest
but please have the courtesy to do it to his face! ;-) Notice that I'm
not his fan, employee or shill. We just have a common interest. Is that
evil?
Is Archimago a pariah around here?
As far as the Uptone Audio Regen thread goes, my post followed his
post.
Now if there is something wrong with following up on Archimago's blog
and postings is an evil thing to do, I'm guilty as charged! ;-)

Arny - what you will find (and are finding) around here is that the many
us are trying to bring back some respect to the term "audiophile". As it
now stands the term "audiophile", outside of audiophile circles, is one
of derision and scorn, since, for example, just about anyone with most
basic understanding of how computers and digital data works knows that
$500 USB cable is just a snake oil ripoff. What you are seeing now is
just another attempt of the gullible audiophiles to reclaim this
section. However that will not happen since so many of us have worked so
hard to make this section a small beacon of light in the audiophile
darkness.

Despite all the evidence that has been presented to them over and over
and over again they still chose to believe their clay footed gods of
high end audio, much like the fanboy cult that surrounds the world of
Apple.

Perhaps I'll get bored one day and post a short manifesto outlining some
of the things needed to make the term "audiophile" once again mean
something other a fool.



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[ralphpnj]

Post by arnyk
Is Archimago a pariah around here?
Just as much as anyone else who dares to use "evidence-based" and
"audiophile" in the same sentence...

Actually Archimago is more like a hero, since he proves that there is
such a thing as an evidence based audiophile.

What I wonder is if Archimago's blog continues to get the attention it
so richly deserves will Archimago resist the efforts to co-opt him and
turn his blog into just another worthless piece of audiophile trash
(much like what happened to head-fi and the computer audiophile). It
seems few can resist the temptation of a long term "loans" of 5 and 6
figure audio equipment in exchange for abandoning any hint of objective
science. Hopefully Archimago will keep the faith.



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Post by ralphpnj
Actually Archimago is more like a hero, since he proves that there is
such a thing as an evidence based audiophile.
What I wonder is if Archimago's blog continues to get the attention it
so richly deserves will Archimago resist the efforts to co-opt him and
turn his blog into just another worthless piece of audiophile trash
(much like what happened to head-fi and the computer audiophile). It
seems few can resist the temptation of a long term "loans" of 5 and 6
figure audio equipment in exchange for abandoning any hint of objective
science. Hopefully Archimago will keep the faith.

I totally agree - but the problem is that "I read what I believe". True
audiophiles will dismiss Archimago as another objectivist/meterhead who
doesn't understand that true enjoyment can't be measured. Thus his
readership will unfortunately always be limited (as long as he stays
true to the facts).



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fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953
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Post by ralphpnj
Actually Archimago is more like a hero, since he proves that there is
such a thing as an evidence based audiophile.
What I wonder is if Archimago's blog continues to get the attention it
so richly deserves will Archimago resist the efforts to co-opt him and
turn his blog into just another worthless piece of audiophile trash
(much like what happened to head-fi and the computer audiophile). It
seems few can resist the temptation of a long term "loans" of 5 and 6
figure audio equipment in exchange for abandoning any hint of objective
science. Hopefully Archimago will keep the faith.

Yes Archimago is not a pariah .

There is hope for audiophiles something went very wrong with a perfectly
acceptable hobby several decades ago , say when bizarre expensive cables
became a fad . Another source of actual information can be audicritic
magazine but its not very current but some issues covered are
fundamentals so its still of value .

If we can weed out the cargo cult stuff we can stumble trough to
something better .

Some people ridicule measurements , but thanks to the typical writing in
say "absolute sound" they are more needed than ever , many products
that’s really expensive have design flaws that we thougth we got rid of
in the 1960's :(
And manufacturers makes mistakes so real consumer journalism should make
the painstaking efforts to actually measure even as complicated stuff as
HT recievers and actually asses their performance .
We are at a point where everyone could make basically correct designs .
But for varius nreasons some still under performs .

So Archimagos blog is very welcome .



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Post by ralphpnj
Arny - what you will find (and are finding) around here is that the many
us are trying to bring back some respect to the term "audiophile". As it
now stands the term "audiophile", outside of audiophile circles, is one
of derision and scorn,

I've already found that Audiophile is a bad word in the real world of
professional audio where I have worked for years doing live sound and
live recording.

While professional audio is not immune to snake oil (Monster has made
some inroads there) the simple need to get serious work done within a
dead line and within a budget has been a strong rationalizing
influence.

But if you compare a highly respected pro audio amp to a highly
respected end audio amp the difference is like night and day. Of course
they are hard to tell apart on the test bench or in a reliable listening
test.

Post by ralphpnj
For example, just about anyone with most basic understanding of how
computers and digital data works knows that $500 USB cable is just a
snake oil ripoff.

Yup. I've been an audiophile for over 55 years, in IT for over 50 years
and in the PC world for over 30 years, and I've been waiting for
audiophile-style floobydust to hit the PC world. It finally happened.
The delay was no doubt to the same resistance factors that are in the
pro audio world.

Post by ralphpnj
What you are seeing now is just another attempt of the gullible
audiophiles to reclaim this section.

Yup, they are like the Gnostics of the ancient religious world. They
have been mislead to believe that they have special hidden knowledge.
But people who really know what is going on know that they are badly
mislead by false teachings. Today the descendants of Gnosticism are
dying niche cult religions.

Post by ralphpnj
However that will not happen since so many of us have worked so hard to
make this section a small beacon of light in the audiophile darkness.

Keep up the good work!

Post by ralphpnj
Despite all the evidence that has been presented to them over and over
and over again they still chose to believe their clay footed gods of
high end audio, much like the fanboy cult that surrounds the world of
Apple.

As you may have gathered some of the people I've been trying to work
with over here lately are not exactly unknown to me.

Once upon a time I spent a lot time with Placebophiles over on Usenet's
rec.audio. opinion and got worked over pretty seriously by them - they
even tried to pull a Swatting on me.

Being a Placebophile must be really frustrating because there seems to
be a lot of pent up anger.

Post by ralphpnj
Perhaps I'll get bored one day and post a short manifesto outlining some
of the things needed to make the term "audiophile" once again mean
something other a fool.

AFAIK Placebophilia can't be cured in some people except by the grim
reaper. BTW, did you know that Tom Nousaine was once a Placebophile?
So, cures are possible!


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Many here are reformed "Placebophiles" I personally heaved a whole snake
nest of audioquest cables in the recycling bin... it felt good . I
choosed not to try to recoup some of the $$$ by selling second hand that
would be to promote this bizarre world view and if do, you have to use a
burner phone , hordes of these people call you and just wants to talk
"audiophile talk" when you try to sell used stuff .



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Many here are reformed "Placebophiles" I personally heaved a whole snake
nest of audioquest cables in the recycling bin... it felt good . I
choosed not to try to recoup some of the $$$ by selling second hand that
would be to promote this bizarre world view and if do, you have to use a
burner phone , hordes of these people call you and just wants to talk
"audiophile talk" when you try to sell used stuff .

That's interesting. I have to admit that I was given a Threshold SA4
power amp:

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in mint condition a few years back listened to it and played with it for
while, and then used the services of a person who is more of a
placebophile than I to sell it on an audiophile auction site. Paid him a
good commission and finder's fee for his trouble. He handled the strange
calls. The take was closer to 5 figures than I would like to admit, so I
will do that sort of thing a little if the price is right. ;-)


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Post by arnyk
Is Archimago a pariah around here?

Just as much as anyone else who dares to use "evidence-based" and
"audiophile" in the same sentence...



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